Incest In Bible (Earth, virgin, creation, genesis, prophecy)

[john313]

in a basically christian nation of America. I do not think we can marry our brother or sister, why is this so if we are told in the bible that great prophets partook in incest? even Abraham is reported in the bible to have married his half sister. also, why is murder illegal if we are told that these great prophets also murdered? if we use these teachings of the great ones of the bible, then we should be incestuous murderers and of course sleep with those we think to be prostitutes.
I personally believe the stories to be lies written by the "lying pens of the scribes" as described in Jeremiah 8:7-9. But most christians must not believe Jeremiah, he said trees brought into the house fastened to the floor, and decorated with gold and silver(christmas trees?) were pagan.

[Fluffy]

in a basically christian nation of America. I do not think we can marry our brother or sister, why is this so if we are told in the bible that great prophets partook in incest? even Abraham is reported in the bible to have married his half sister. also, why is murder illegal if we are told that these great prophets also murdered? if we use these teachings of the great ones of the bible, then we should be incestuous murderers and of course sleep with those we think to be prostitutes.

Christians do not follow their prophets. They follow God and Jesus. I think it is good that these prophets have a darker side to them because it emphasises the point that humans are not perfect and can only strive to follow in Jesus' footsteps. If the prophets were perfect themselves, then whats to stop people bowing down to them as their dieties?

[michel]

[quote=Fluffy]Christians do not follow their prophets. They follow God and Jesus. I think it is good that these prophets have a darker side to them because it emphasises the point that humans are not perfect and can only strive to follow in Jesus' footsteps. If the prophets were perfect themselves, then whats to stop people bowing down to them as their dieties?[/QUOTE]

Daniel 3:29 Therefore I make a decree, That every people, nation, and language, which speak any thing amiss ° against the G-d of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, shall be cut in pieces, and their houses shall be made a dunghill: because there is no other G-d that can deliver after this sort.

[john313]

Originally Posted by Fluffy

Christians do not follow their prophets. They follow God and Jesus. I think it is good that these prophets have a darker side to them because it emphasises the point that humans are not perfect and can only strive to follow in Jesus' footsteps. If the prophets were perfect themselves, then whats to stop people bowing down to them as their dieties?

Peace,
Why did God send prophets if they were not to be followed? Also, why did Jesus tell people to be perfect if we cannot do it? I like your last sentence since Jesus was the perfected human, is that why christians bow to him as their diety and make idols of him?

[john313]

Originally Posted by michel

Daniel 3:29 Therefore I make a decree, That every people, nation, and language, which speak any thing amiss ° against the G-d of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, shall be cut in pieces, and their houses shall be made a dunghill: because there is no other G-d that can deliver after this sort.

i am glad i do not live in a dunghill

[Prima]

Here is what I believe.

There is a difference between something being inherently evil and something having a high potential for evil.

Would a relationship between a brother and sister, or two other close relatives, be inherently wrong? No. It is two people having a relationship. That's not wrong. BUT - the judeo-christian law forbids this for good reason, because incest has a HUGE potential for evil. Look at all the things that could go wrong:

1. Because of the close relationship, it is hard to tell whether the two people truly love each other in a maritial relationship way or just in a familial way

2. Because they have presumably always known each other, it is more likely to happen early in life, when the girl/boy isn't quite capable of making decisions regarding relationships.

3. Because it is seen as taboo, that will always be hanging over their heads. There is a higher possibility for abuse and taking advantage of someone - "If you stop treating me like this, I'll tell mom/dad/whoever about it"

4. Even if the two attempt to not have sex or to not become pregnant, there is always that possibility.

5. Because of the amount of trust involved, it is again more possible for abuse to occur.

6. Because they live closely or will be forced to see each other, if the relationship goes 'bad' there is no way for either of them to heal.


That's my take. I think it's necessary for the Bible and the judeo-christian law to consider incest to be unlawful and wrong, and against God.

[Fluffy]

Peace,
Why did God send prophets if they were not to be followed? Also, why did Jesus tell people to be perfect if we cannot do it? I like your last sentence since Jesus was the perfected human, is that why christians bow to him as their diety and make idols of him?

Heya john313,

I am not Christian so I cannot promise that my views are representative of Christianity. However, it is my personal belief that God wanted people to follow the messages which these prophets conveyed, not the prophets themselves.

Also I ascribe to the Lutheran view on the matter of perfection. We are to aspire to be perfect, however, perfection can never be achieved, it is merely there to highlight that we are imperfect. This does not release us from out attempts to perfection, just merely of the guilt when we are unable to achieve this.

Jesus was indeed the perfect human and this is certainly enough for people to follow his leadership, myself included. However, this was not what he wanted and is not what God wanted. God wants people to follow him and noone else as is clear from the 10 commandments. Jesus is also fully God just as he is fully human. It is merely an advertising tactic. God is playing to what he knows people are likely to follow when in fact that something is something else entirely.

Hmmm I don't think I explained that very well but I hope it will suffice! I can try again if it doesn't.

[njcl]

i think the incest of the old testament times might have had something to do with that god did not want polluted bloodlines in the prophets ancestry,there was nobody to impregnate lots daughter,they were just leaving a city of despicable sin and my guess is that the surrounding towns were as bad so lot was the only viable choice

[john313]

Originally Posted by njcl

i think the incest of the old testament times might have had something to do with that god did not want polluted bloodlines in the prophets ancestry,there was nobody to impregnate lots daughter,they were just leaving a city of despicable sin and my guess is that the surrounding towns were as bad so lot was the only viable choice

Incest was forbidden to them, but even if that was the case, then why does the bible say his daughters got him drunk first?

[njcl]

Originally Posted by john313

Incest was forbidden to them, but even if that was the case, then why does the bible say his daughters got him drunk first?

well would you like to have relations with your offspring,of course not hence his daughters getting him drunk so to lose some of his inhibitions and morality