The Church is compromising! (dress codes, tradition, birth control, homosexuality, elders)

[phernduke]

Is it possible that the church has come to this? To compromise with the enemy?
Methodist churches permitting homosexual elders, baptist churches allowing segregation, brethren churches not enforcing youth dress codes, and christian parents fighting and allowing there children to dress anywhich way or listen to whatever...

The church has become lukewarm, and we know what happens then...

What are your view points has the church compromised, or is everything just peachy.

-Chris

[Prima]

If compromising is being open-minded, loving, and accepting, I'm all for it: permitting homosexuals and allowing their children to dress how they please.
If it's promoting disunity and hatred, I'm against it: baptist churches allowing segregation.

I would appreciate links to your sources talking about this, so we're on the same level.

[Prima]

And who, by the way, do you see as the enemy here? The homosexuals, teenagers, and baptists? or those who are too close-minded to accept that perhaps rigid, arbitrary rules aren't the way to go?

[SarahBeara]

Well, I don't know how those are "the enemy," but the only thing I have a problem with from that list, is segregation. I think more churches need to be open to homosexuality and unless you're being revealing, I don't think the way you dress is all that important.

[SK2005]

That is a scary things about a new pope, I think. A huge thing in the Catholic Church is tradition, which also includes birth control, abortion, homosexuality, and many other things. If the Catholic church loses tradition by conforming to the new world, then the Catholic church loses the Catholic church.

[SK2005]

I think by enemy he means the opposite of what is taught.

[phernduke]

Wow, I am amazed at this rudimentry level responses, but I shall attempt to explain a bit further. I am 24 years old and have been through a life of misery, from drugs, sex alcholol to violence. I have served time in prison at a level 4 facility for nearly 4 years. Learning how to stay alive by using a shank and muscle.

I found the lord in a place like that, and discovered what truly matters. Following the Lord's law. Now teenagers who decide to dress like britney spears, can lead to many problems. When a young female looks at it, she see's conformity attempting to control and destroy. Though when you see if from my angle, we see nearly 100 rapists a month in prison come in. They target young women with tight clothing looking just like britney spears.

Also it leads to other things, since I'm a guy, in high-school and junior high, girls who dressed like that were considered loose and a easy target to get into there pants. Yes, I belonged to the disgusting realization of manhood.

Though now being saved it is my attempt to help others and help them see what i've seen.

Now homosexuality? I'm sure Soddom, Gomorahh, and perhaps AIDS may shead the light on a few things. Some will be up in arms at me for being presumptous on the AIDS topic. For they'll say its not just aids people that have it, and also that is prejudice.

When your in prison you dont have females to keep you happy, but transvestites.

I have seen some horrible things in prison, between two non-aids victims, yet after a few years of there homosexuality behavior, somehow they contracted it.

Though again, to save me from an uproar, AIDS was not created as some sort of government conspiracy to lower the prices in milk, nor the coincident accourance of a monkey the world has never seen before.

The way it kills and baffles the smartest and most brightest scientists in the world, is just one way it is a heavenly curse for those who disobey God.

Now, if you can prove to me where AIDS comes from, perhaps I'll listen, if the source is valid and not the enquierer.

-Chris

[phernduke]

Now you say what loving God would allow this?

If you stole money from your earthly father, would you not expect to be punished? Then so as a heavenly father, do you not expect to be punished for what you've done?

You see God is a great father, and he wants whats best for you. I used to hate my earthly parents when they said that, but after release from prison, I knew they loved me and did mean to know what was best for me. For they had life and experience.

God allows these things so that we go back to him.

-Chris

[fromthe heart]

Originally Posted by phernduke

Is it possible that the church has come to this? To compromise with the enemy?
Methodist churches permitting homosexual elders, baptist churches allowing segregation, brethren churches not enforcing youth dress codes, and christian parents fighting and allowing there children to dress anywhich way or listen to whatever...

The church has become lukewarm, and we know what happens then...

What are your view points has the church compromised, or is everything just peachy.

-Chris

Hi Chris...I think the churchs are bending a little too far and allowing the eneny(Satin) to creep in and make wrong seem ok to a lot of folks. There has been a swing a bit too far from what the Bible teaches.IMO if the Bible says it's wrong then it's wrong...the Bible is timeless and Christians aren't supposed to twist it to fit the current times...we are to live by it and not live with the ways of the world.

[phernduke]

Now on the topic of opening to homosexuality? Would I have a deacon or an elder as a homosexual?
NO
Though I'll still love the person but hate his sin, as the heavenly father would. If I kill, should the church not tell me this is wrong and punish me in a loving way, so that I stay, feeling loved.

Many ways to punish, not all physical force.

So I will welcome a homosexual to church, and show him where it says its wrong. Tell him of my testimony and my trials and what the Lord has done for me.


-Chris