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Old 05-16-2005, 01:12 PM
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*hehehe Richmond is going to have "hot" biblical debates

My Tanakh (yeah, and I don't have a bible, go figure!) says it is a Prayer of Moses
hmmm it may be...i don't have mine in front of me. Most but not all are from David...but you are probably right on that one if that is what it says...
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If, for God, a day is like a thousand years, how do we interpret:Exodus 34:21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest. I mean, I'm all for a rest, but I'm not going to get much done in life.........
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If, for God, a day is like a thousand years, how do we interpret:Exodus 34:21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest. I mean, I'm all for a rest, but I'm not going to get much done in life ...
You have the better part of 6 thousand years before you have to worry about it.

Your point, however, is a good one. Some apologists select whatever definition causes the least embarrassment, rendering their apologetics a web of special pleading.
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However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day(2peter 3;8)

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However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day(2peter 3;8)


But why take that literally? Prehaps Peter was making the point that God does not experience time the way we do.
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However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day
Darn, and to think that a 2nd century pseudepigraph almost escaped MY notice. I really hate it when that happens ... but not as much as I hate the presumption the 2 Peter has any more authority or credibility than any other piece of apologetics.
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But why take that literally? Prehaps Peter was making the point that God does not experience time the way we do.
It's more about trying to differentiate between a God and mankind. They both have their own perspectives. Even if one doesn't believe in a God he or she can read a book and notice that the character of God see's things differently then we do. He classifies animals differently and now we see that God experiences time in a manner that we do not. Considering this higher perspective of time found in the bible, there is plenty of room for scientific and evolutionary progress thus making many arguments over evolution, time of creation, dinosaurs, earth age, etc.. all void and a waste of debate.
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God is eternal and therefore his concept of time is much different than ours. Where a thousand years is as short or as long as one day. It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Also, it is used independantly of the creation story, but it does give insight into the language that God uses in Genesis One. Could it be that he uses the term "day" only becaus eit is a term we can understand? What about his use of "there was evening and there was morning, the first day"? To me, it just opens the door to more questions, rather than answering any. You also have to take into consideration the fact that Jesus quotes Moses words in the gospel (I'll have to find the exact verse) and says the God created the heavens and the earth in one day, thereby verifying the scripture. Again, it just raises more quetions. I'll try to find the exact verse.
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From my understanding of inerrancy, God's word is God's word. Whatever God's perspective or temporality. it is reflected directly in God's word. I see no justification for "second guessing".
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Basically what I have always been told about this verse is that it's just to emphasize that God is not affected by time. He created this universe, and thus time, and as such it has no hold on him, it is irrelevant to him because he came frist. At least thats my 2 cents.
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