But the roof doesn't leak (contradiction, theist, bible, Article)

[robtex]

Originally Posted by Melody

Funny....I was thinking the same thing...only about people who deny God's existence. Guess it's just a matter of perspective.

Could you please qualify this statement. What proof or evidence are atheist missing that shows that God obviously exists?

[The Voice of Reason]

Originally Posted by true blood

I would like to challenge Pah to an arm wrestling contest.

The circumference of Pah's right forearm is almost 20 inches - so, you might want to challenge his left arm.

TVOR

[angellous_evangellous]

Pah,
To use your analogy from a different perspective:

The person selling the house would dispute that there even is water on the floor in the first place.

The substance for your analogy is within your point of view. You see water gushing in through holes created by contradiction, and others do not. The inspector also will not be without a point of view - in this case some will see water, some will not...

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by angellous_evangellous

The substance for your analogy is within your point of view.

Nonsense. The point of the story is that multiple strained explanations are strung together and served up as an alternative to a single, coherent, and, thus, far more credible one.

[Bright-ness' Shadow]

Originally Posted by angellous_evangellous

Pah,
To use your analogy from a different perspective:

The person selling the house would dispute that there even is water on the floor in the first place.

The substance for your analogy is within your point of view. You see water gushing in through holes created by contradiction, and others do not. The inspector also will not be without a point of view - in this case some will see water, some will not...

Actually we both acknowlege the water, the difference is the source. The water (verse) is acknowledged, the hole in the roof is the answer that it is human error, the other sources of water are justification for God putting the water there. We can play with the water example but let's cut to the chase.

[Melody]

Originally Posted by Deut. 32.8

It might seem less so if you took the time to understand what the term means, since it simply asserts that a fallacy is no less so if shared by your opponent. Please feel free to suggest whatever disagreements you might have with this assertion.

I know exactly what it means.

[Melody]

Originally Posted by robtex

Could you please qualify this statement. What proof or evidence are atheist missing that shows that God obviously exists?

I would have to start a new thread or be accused of tu quoque...but what the heck. What proof or evidence do you have that shows God obviously does not exist?

Back to the original post though. I don't see that there is common ground and the house leaking isn't a good analogy because you are talking about something that is a bit hard to misinterpret. If there's a puddle on the floor and rain coming through the ceiling, no thinking person would dispute that the roof leaks.

In the case of the bible, it is a matter of interpretation. Some see errors and contradictions because *their* interpretation is full of error and contradiction. They choose not to believe anyone who has a different interpretation. For every error and contradiction, there are bible scholars who will logically refute them....and who is to say either side is wrong...or right...since there is no puddle on the floor.

[robtex]

All right let me take a look at this leaking roof and maybe some of you roof inspectors can clear some of these mysteries up for us....just a few at a time.

1) God is omnipotent but Jesus was able to die in the hands of men? Seems like a contradiction to me.

2) Jesus was the savior who gave us the word of God but had writer's block and didn't personally record any of it. why?

3) God's message is clear but your religion has thousands of differnt churches with different opinions

4) god is omnipotent but satan has demonic power

5) heaven hell exist but nobody can assess their location