Sacrifice of Jesus for our sins

[trruth]

Originally Posted by fallingblood

Jesus wasn't sacrificed so that God could forgive our sins. Our sins could already be forgiven. We see in the OT that there were ways for redemption.

The death of Jesus just facilitated another means to salvation.

So the death of Jesus is a good choice for [god (Jesus)] for our salvation,
but God(Jesus) wasn't sacrificed so that [God(Jesus)] could forgive our
sins,but he sacrificed for.......,still in the image which posted by 9Westy9

[fallingblood]

Originally Posted by trruth

So the death of Jesus is a good choice for [god (Jesus)] for our salvation,
but God(Jesus) wasn't sacrificed so that [God(Jesus)] could forgive our
sins,but he sacrificed for.......,still in the image which posted by 9Westy9

Jesus is not God. The Bible doesn't say that.

[trruth]

Originally Posted by fallingblood

Jesus is not God. The Bible doesn't say that.

but still many believe that he is God and also the son of God,and some believe that
he is the son of God,but not God,whereas some believe that he is only a prophet sent by God through Virgin Mary,and every one think that he is in the right path.

[Thief]

Originally Posted by trruth

but still many believe that he is God and also the son of God,and some believe that
he is the son of God,but not God,whereas some believe that he is only a prophet sent by God through Virgin Mary,and every one think that he is in the right path.

Of Himself He did say...'brother and fellow servant'...

If you prefer to do so...you could say of Him...
'...elder brother and skillful servant'....

But whatever your choice....
will you be able to look Him in the eye and say so?

So much dialog here at the forum...
and no one seems to notice which way it will go.

[fallingblood]

Originally Posted by trruth

but still many believe that he is God and also the son of God,and some believe that
he is the son of God,but not God,whereas some believe that he is only a prophet sent by God through Virgin Mary,and every one think that he is in the right path.

Many believe in aliens and the Loch Ness monster, doesn't make it true.

[trruth]

So,any one belief can also be not true,but what is true for you,is not
true for the others and vice versa

[trruth]

is it logical that there should be a scapegoat to pay for all of our sins
and then god will permit the crucify of his only son for our salvation.

God can never find any other solutions to forgive us except by slaughtering and blood,
and because our sins are great,then the scapegoat should be also great "Jesus"

Do god needs intermediary to forgive us and in our case,slaughtering of Jesus.

[Pegg]

Originally Posted by trruth

My question is,

Why God need a sacrifice (some one to be killed),so he can forgive our sins,
do that means that God can not forgive us and have no other choices but
to kill his only son,and even his son,actually is god himself as jesus is
himself the lord,so god killed himself or he killed his son.

Any one please to explain that to us

All mankind are dying because all mankind commit sin.
Romans 6:23 For the wages sin pays is death

If you didnt want to die, how would you pay for your sins? You cant simply say 'im sorry' because the debt for sin is much higher then that. It is your life. So when you die, then all your sins are forgiven and you are no longer a sinner in Gods eyes.
Romans 6:7 For he who has died has been acquitted from [his] sin

Unfortunately, once you are dead, your life is ended, so even if you wanted to live sinfree you couldnt because you have no more life. God chose to remedy this situation by providing a person to die on our behalf.

God could not ask any of Adams sons to pay for our sin because every one of Adams children is also a sinner and they can only die for their own sins. Psalm 49: 7 Not one of them can by any means redeem even a brother,
Nor give to God a ransom for him
So he needed to bring someone to earth who was not born into sin. He chose his 'only begotten' son and transfered his life from heaven into the womb of Mary so that he would be born into the world sinfree. Then his son would offer his perfect human life as a sacrifice in behalf of all sinners.

Once Jesus had accomplished that task, mankind had a ransomer....someone they could look to for redemption and as the means to pay our debt of sin to God. With the price paid (death) God had a legal means to accept sinners and forgive sins BEFORE they died. So all who put faith in the value of Christs sacrifice can have their sins forgiven and therefore the hope of everlasting life.

[ChristineES]

I really don't like it when people call my faith "nonsensical" but what the heck, I will answer anyway. In the OT, people used to regularly make sacrifices of lambs- they didn't burn up the lamb- they burned off the fat and then ate it like a feast. Jesus, to we Christians, was put in place for that lamb. Jesus was symbolic of a lamb. Since we couldn't eat a symbolic lamb- bread is eaten in it's place. Wine (or grape juice) is drunk with it. It isn't like we are drinking blood, as some seem to believe, but a symbolic gesture of the sacrifice- before a lamb is sacrificed and eaten, the blood would be drained out.

Just keep in mind that none of us force you to believe in it and that we don't find it nonsensical at all.

[Thief]

It's all repeat and recital....and it should have died with Him.

He deliberately altered the Passover.
He declared...'Do this in memory of ME'
A simple meal...and talk about the kingdom.

This breaks from tradition to the extreme!
In so doing He set Moses aside and the Passover is now the Christian mass.

Shift your perspective.

If you know what lays ahead, and you want to lead your friends safely there...
You go first.

Whatever stands over you during your last breath makes all the difference.
That He went ahead of you...could be a good thing.

On the other hand...'I go before you...to prepare a place for you'....
may not be what you expect.