soul (Jesus, Earth, HaShem, soul, elders)

[may]

The human soul ceases to exist at death .Ezek 18;4 Eccl 9;10 psalm 6;5 psalm 146;4 john 11;11-14

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by may

The human soul ceases to exist at death .Ezek 18;4 Eccl 9;10 psalm 6;5 psalm 146;4 john 11;11-14

Ezek 18:4 - this has to do w/ the souls of Jews who are not observant of Mitzvot and turn away from HaShem
Eccl 9:10 - again judgment of the evil and righteous
Psalm 6:5 & 146:4 - i fail to see how this is talking about the destination of the soul in the afterlife...these are yet more poems/songs attributed to King David about HaShem which is what psalms is all about

i'll leave John 11:11-14 to the christians to deal w/

[CaptainXeroid]

Originally Posted by jewscout

....i'll leave John 11:11-14 to the christians to deal w/

I are one of they.

John 11:11-14 11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. 12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. 13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. 14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

KJV from Bible.com

I fail to see how this proves 'The human soul ceases to exist at death.', so perhaps you could provide some insight as to how you drew this conclusion. Then we would have a reference for a meaningful discussion.

[Dinogrrl]

I thought the souls went to heaven or hell. Certainlyl still existing, but not on earth... 9_9

[may]

Originally Posted by CaptainXeroid

I are one of they.

KJV from Bible.com

I fail to see how this proves 'The human soul ceases to exist at death.', so perhaps you could provide some insight as to how you drew this conclusion. Then we would have a reference for a meaningful discussion.

according to some , who claim to follow the bible ,when a person dies they go to heaven or hell ,but according to the bible they just go to the grave,so imortality of the soul is not in line with the bible thats how it looks to me.so what is right then,imortality of the soul or the bible.

[Dinogrrl]

Then what about the whole 'Jesus conquering the grave' thing? I thought that had to do with the soul /not/ disappearing when the body died, but instead being sent to heaven or hell.

Then again, maybe I shouldn't talk. I have my doubts about the whole Jesus resurrection thing to begin with.

[cardero]

Rev. 14:3- And they are singing as if a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and to the elders and no one was able to master that song but the 144,000 who have been bought from the earth.

Seems as if Ezekiel has forgotten about these people.

[may]

so the question is ,what is the soul

Do we really have an immortal soul? If the soul is actually not immortal, then how could such a false teaching become an integral part of so many of today’s religions? Where did the idea come from?

"Dust you are and to dust you will return."—GENESIS 3:19

The Hebrew word translated "soul" is ne´phesh, What does ne´phesh mean? According to The Dictionary of Bible and Religion, it "usually refers to the entire living being, to the whole individual." This is borne out by the Bible’s description of the soul at Genesis 2:7: "Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul." Note that the first man "came to be" a soul. That is to say, Adam did not have a soul; he was a soul—just as someone who becomes a doctor is a doctor. The word "soul," then, here describes the whole person.

[michel]

Originally Posted by may

so the question is ,what is the soul

Do we really have an immortal soul? If the soul is actually not immortal, then how could such a false teaching become an integral part of so many of today’s religions? Where did the idea come from?

"Dust you are and to dust you will return."—GENESIS 3:19

The Hebrew word translated "soul" is ne´phesh, What does ne´phesh mean? According to The Dictionary of Bible and Religion, it "usually refers to the entire living being, to the whole individual." This is borne out by the Bible’s description of the soul at Genesis 2:7: "Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a living soul." Note that the first man "came to be" a soul. That is to say, Adam did not have a soul; he was a soul—just as someone who becomes a doctor is a doctor. The word "soul," then, here describes the whole person.

The body is merely a 'vehicle' for the Sou'ls incarnation on earth.

"Dust you are and to dust you will return."—GENESIS 3:19 I see as being relating to the physical body, and not the soul. There is also a matter of the effects of the actions of the person on life, while alive; they don't die, do they ? The actions of the person are a legacy.


The Soul lives on.

[Halcyon]

Hi May, i see you are a Jehovah's Witness, so you are waiting for the imminent second coming of Christ and the final judgement, correct? I'm guessing then that the theory behind your posts is that the 'soul' remains within the physical body until such judgement when the dead rise again, yes?

You do realise we decompose though right? And alot of people are cremated. Its going to be quite strange to see living skeletons and clouds of dust walking the earth don't you think?