How did Satan get to the garden of Eden?

[muhammad_isa]

Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011

Do we think the Buddha stood head above everyone else? Yes, but this is due to his own work and persistence.
. . .
This is why the Buddha said he was superior to any and all gods.

[dyanaprajna2011]

Originally Posted by muhammad_isa

Apparently there's something you don't understand. And you're not making it clear exactly what that is.

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
You shouldn't "expect me" to agree with your claims in your erroneous posts. Nor can I "understand" why one chooses to believe man over the Creator GOD.

Originally Posted by waitasec

and what makes your post erroneous proof?
faith?

Those scriptural verses by which your post/claims were shown to be erroneous. Which you failed to refute, but only re-stated your erroneous claim.
Faith alone(apart from what GOD has said) can be associated with truth or error.

[quote= sincerly/ previous post]Those(who flew into the WTC) were not getting their idea/instructions from the Truthful Scriptures of the BIBLE, but from a book which had claims much like those of your erroneous claims.(Ehrman's)

Originally Posted by waitasec

ask those parents who's children died by having their meds kept from them...
they got this idea from this "truthful" tripe.

Just because one chooses to believe a lie due to their own erroneous misinterpretation doesn't make the source(BIBLE or other source from which it came from) "tripe".

Jim Jones, David Koresh, et al. will not be the last to seduce many with their mis-interpretations of the Scriptures. Even to those "claims" of yours as presented in the posts here.

[muhammad_isa]

Originally Posted by sincerly

Those(who flew into the WTC) were not getting their idea/instructions from the Truthful Scriptures of the BIBLE, but from a book which had claims much like those of your erroneous claims.(Ehrman's)

That's rubbish!

Originally Posted by sincerly

Just because one chooses to believe a lie due to their own erroneous misinterpretation doesn't make the source(BIBLE or other source from which it came from) "tripe".

That's better..

[waitasec]

Originally Posted by sincerly

Originally Posted by sincerly
You shouldn't "expect me" to agree with your claims in your erroneous posts. Nor can I "understand" why one chooses to believe man over the Creator GOD.



Those scriptural verses by which your post/claims were shown to be erroneous. Which you failed to refute, but only re-stated your erroneous claim.

what are you talking about? what scriptural verses?

Faith alone(apart from what GOD has said) can be associated with truth or error.

imagine that

Originally Posted by sincerly/ previous post

Those(who flew into the WTC) were not getting their idea/instructions from the Truthful Scriptures of the BIBLE, but from a book which had claims much like those of your erroneous claims.(Ehrman's)

yet you conveniently over look mark 16:18
excellent...
christians poop smells just like every other religious persons does, didn't you know that?

Just because one chooses to believe a lie due to their own erroneous misinterpretation doesn't make the source(BIBLE or other source from which it came from) "tripe".

you make it seem as though people intentionally want to misinterpret the infallible scripture...

Jim Jones, David Koresh, et al. will not be the last to seduce many with their mis-interpretations of the Scriptures. Even to those "claims" of yours as presented in the posts here.

you're right and your defending that way of thinking...?

shame shame on you...

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by sincerly
You shouldn't "expect me" to agree with your claims in your erroneous posts. Nor can I "understand" why one chooses to believe man over the Creator GOD.

Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011

God, at least from the Abrahamic viewpoint, makes no sense. I would rather believe man, with the use of reason and logic, over ancient "divine revelation" that is outdated, and stands in stark contrast with modern advances of science. There's no reason to accept the idea of a creator god, when we know more about how the world works than the ancients did. And the morality of modern man is even more ethical than that of Bible times.

To me, a Creator GOD makes the only sense. Here's why.
First, All I see of the earth and heavens just didn't occur from nothing. That's not logical. Neither does the spontaneous beginnings of a life form occur from non-life forms. Then to top that off, that single life form continues to evolve upwards into multiple celled forms to evolve into multiple forms of flora and fauna.
Sorry, but that "logic" is the man-made "illogical theory".

Now to move on to the "Abrahamic viewpoint". There were some happenings on this earth from the initial Creation of all things which one sees---including mankind---until Abraham came on the scene.

Little is revealed from Creation to the Flood of Noah's time. And by Biblical chronology, that occurred about 1656 years after Creation week. and about 100 years after the Flood(2244 B.C.), those people were scattered from the tower of Babel they had built into all the world. Remember, all who were on the ARK knew of GOD and from the witnesses of two---a subject was established. Adam was alive with Methuselah(243 years) and Lamech(46 years). They were living with Noah for 600 years(Methuselah) and 590 years(Lamech). Noah and Shem both were alive at the time of Abraham. Noah for 60 years and Shem outlived Abraham.

Abraham was called out from his idol worshiping family by GOD to be a "blessing to all families of the earth".(Gen.12:1-3) To Isaac, (In Gen.26:3-5),GOD said, "Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father; And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.""
GOD made that promise to Isaac about 1800 B.C. and Abimelech, king of the philistines, knew it was Adultery to take another's wife.Also, acknowledged the "Lord".
Moses lead the Israelites from Egypt About 1544 B.C.
Solomon was reigning about 1000 B.C. All the surrounding Nations kings and the queen of Sheba visited during those years.

Therefore, a knowledge of the TRUE GOD was known from the Tower of Babel as well as the reign of Solomon.
That doesn't mean that they acrpted it, but those nations were aware of the teachings.

From wikipedia--Re: Hinduism: "The earliest evidence for prehistoric religion in India date back to the late Neolithic in the early Harappan period (5500–2600 BCE).[20][21] The beliefs and practices of the pre-classical era (1500–500 BCE) are called the "historical Vedic religion". The Vedic religion shows influence by Proto-Indo-European religion. The oldest Veda is the Rigveda, dated to 1700–1100 BCE.[22]

As one can see, that "pre-historic religion" was from those people who were scattered from the "Tower of Babel" .

Paul wrote in Rom.1:17-22, 28, "For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, ...And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;"

Just as the people of today corrupt the TRUTH of the TRUE GOD by their own evil/contrary to GOD---"imaginations".

Thanks for you patience. But That's how I see the Scriptures. That "serpant" is still spreading the falseness---" Ye shall be as gods" and "Ye shall not surely die".

Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011

But they were during the Crusades, Inquisition, witch hunts, the early Reformation when Protestants and Catholics were killing each other, and even Christians today think it's ok to kill those who don't agree with them, not all, but some. The more hard-lined, dogmatic, and conservative one gets, the more one tends toward violence to push their views.

Yes, man's inhumanity to man will continue until the end of time.

[dyanaprajna2011]

Originally Posted by sincerly

To me, a Creator GOD makes the only sense. Here's why.
First, All I see of the earth and heavens just didn't occur from nothing. That's not logical. Neither does the spontaneous beginnings of a life form occur from non-life forms. Then to top that off, that single life form continues to evolve upwards into multiple celled forms to evolve into multiple forms of flora and fauna.
Sorry, but that "logic" is the man-made "illogical theory".

I don't necessarily have a problem with a "first cause", but I don't think such a thing has to be equated with a god. There are many other options, and all more rational, than ascribing a first cause to the Abrahamic god.

Then you go into Biblical teachings as if they are a priori fact that everyone should just accept without any question, on nothing other than what it says of itself. To me, this is illogical, ludicrous, and self-deceiving. There is no logic in accepting the Bible just because it says we should, without any evidence for it to back it up.

Just as the people of today corrupt the TRUTH of the TRUE GOD by their own evil/contrary to GOD---"imaginations".

If the only reason you say this is because of the Bible, that is no reason at all. Why accept something only because it is supposed divine revelation from god, with no supporting objective truth? If that's the case, why not accept the Quran, the Vedas, or anything else that claims to be the direct revelatory word of god? It makes no sense.

[muhammad_isa]

Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011

If the only reason you say this is because of the Bible, that is no reason at all. Why accept something only because it is supposed divine revelation from god, with no supporting objective truth? If that's the case, why not accept the Quran, the Vedas, or anything else that claims to be the direct revelatory word of god?

Well I say the same thing .. and not just because of the Bible .. I believe in all the true revelations from our Creator.

PS. The Vedas is an exceptionally old text .. it certainly wasn't originally written with "pen & paper"

[Thief]

Originally Posted by jubilee131

I was reading Gen 3 and I ended with more questions than answers.
1. Did God put Satan in the garden?
2. Didn't God know what would happen?
3 Did you notice that Satan always gives a piece of truth & a lie

Sorry to have arrived so late....
No.... God did not put Satan in the garden.

It is noted in my copy of Genesis that....'the serpent is more subtle'...
In other words...'he slithered in'....

But my copy does not refer to the serpent as the Adversary.
That would be, the Fallen Angel, who was once God's Favorite.
It is an assumption they are the same entity.
It is also an assumption the serpent had some cause to interfere with the
'intended' manipulation at hand in the Garden scenario.

As story telling goes....some kind of 'adversary'.... makes the 'story'.

And most stories are coherent when one action follows another.
A linear series of events unfold as the story is told.
The idea that God can know all things in advance is contrary to most story telling.

If God knows the end, even as the story begins....then you don't really have one action following another.
For the sake of action, and reaction, one must assume that absolute control is not occurring during the Garden event.

Likewise absolute control in not being applied to your mind and heart.
You are participating in your own story.

And yes....a lie is most effective with a dash of truth.

[sincerly]

Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011

I don't necessarily have a problem with a "first cause", but I don't think such a thing has to be equated with a god. There are many other options, and all more rational, than ascribing a first cause to the Abrahamic god.

Any other "first cause" than a Creator GOD would have to deal with "something from nothing" which isn't "more rational", but is more "illogical/irrational". No matter how far back or how many "options" one still has to deal with the "How did that come about/to be produced/source---and that from nothing."

The Abrahamic GOD for about 2000 years showed to people that what HE said came to past/be so/could be relied upon as truth. Those things were written down for our admonition. Moses writings were before the Vedas or at least by the time of their writing.(What was the source of those writings/beliefs---from the scattering from Babel.)

Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011

Then you go into Biblical teachings as if they are a priori fact that everyone should just accept without any question, on nothing other than what it says of itself. To me, this is illogical, ludicrous, and self-deceiving. There is no logic in accepting the Bible just because it says we should, without any evidence for it to back it up.

Anyone can believe any "imagined thing" they please. Acceptance is with the individual---Whether from idols of whatever material of from the thoughts of a human being. I'm unaware of any belief system which doesn't believe in a Creator GOD that claims their belief/god created/produced "all that is seen".

Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011

If the only reason you say this is because of the Bible, that is no reason at all. Why accept something only because it is supposed divine revelation from god, with no supporting objective truth? If that's the case, why not accept the Quran, the Vedas, or anything else that claims to be the direct revelatory word of god? It makes no sense.

What doesn't make sense is "to believe all that is seen"---had no Creator GOD. Because you and I exist along with all we survey about us, is evidence enough for ME and makes perfect sense.