Does the Bible Permit Women to Lead, Teach, Preach or Speak?

[Me Myself]

Originally Posted by Pegg

Genesis 3:17 And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account

Actualy, he punishes both according to their misdeeds:

Soil becomes cursed because it is man and not woman that will work in it.

God punished everyone there, if man was the only rsponsable only man would have been punished.

Besides, if one is to take bible literaly in this, then why wouldn´t onetake literaly when it condones slavery in the OT and the NT ?

[fallingblood]

Originally Posted by Jethro

That must mean you are not willing to submit to God, or the Torah. For God is the One who inspired Paul to give this command to Christian women. Furthermore, Peter gave the example of woman submission by the life of Sarah, who willingly and lovingly submitted to Abraham.

Or he is a Jew, that doesn't accept the NT as scripture. That is probably a better bet. The NT does not apply to him.

[Pegg]

Originally Posted by Me Myself

Yes, the bible is pretty straightforward on this.



I agree completely, that´s why I submit to my girlfriend and also ask her to submit to me.

We also rebel sometimes, and it is perfectly cool. Submitting and being dominant can be a very nice way to play the game of romance.

That said, I am sure most women would like a guy who both knows when to be dominant and when to submit to their wishes.

There oughta be balance, and it is important to remember that this balance changes with each person and each relationship.

So if you find someone you respect it should be nice to submit to him/her, but I would say that if the respect goes both ways the contrary interaction should be open for contemplation too.

I dont see how being a 'head' has anything to do with domination?

Christ is the head of the church, but is he domineering? Not at all. He was a man of great love and compassion. People were happy to submit themselves to his lead because as a leader he was inspiring and gentle...he certainly want domineering.

[Me Myself]

Originally Posted by Pegg

I dont see how being a 'head' has anything to do with domination?

Christ is the head of the church, but is he domineering? Not at all. He was a man of great love and compassion. People were happy to submit themselves to his lead because as a leader he was inspiring and gentle...he certainly want domineering.

I have no problem with the word, you may replace "dominate" with "giving guidance" or "saying how things should be". It was jsut away of saying it, hopefully you´ll see my point beyond semantic.

[Pegg]

Originally Posted by Jethro

Also, when Paul told Christian wives to submit to their husbands, he would have also told the men to submit to their wives, if women didn't have to submit to their husbands as the head of the home.

yes I agree

Pauls words are actually quite endearing for he likens the subjection of the wife to her husband like the subjection of the congregation to Christ.
Ephesians 5:21 Be in subjection to one another in fear of Christ. 22 Let wives be in subjection to their husbands as to the Lord, 23 because a husband is head of his wife as the Christ also is head of the congregation, he being a savior of [this] body. 24 In fact, as the congregation is in subjection to the Christ, so let wives also be to their husbands in everything.

no christian would refuse to submit to Christ...thats why we are christians, because we have submitted. And if husbands are 'christlike' then their wives will enjoy submitting to his authority...Pauls next words bear this out:

25 Husbands, continue loving YOUR wives, just as the Christ also loved the congregation and delivered up himself for it,

[sojourner]

Paul also said, "...there is no more male or female...for all are one in Christ Jesus."

[e r.m.]

Originally Posted by Pegg

im sure if you knew a man who was worthy of respect, you'd find it easy to submit to him

There are wives who demand submission from their husbands, and that is disgusting and unacceptable.

[OnPower]

Originally Posted by not nom

how come it's just paul who says that? isn't that kinda.... odd? I was under the impression that nobody should speak in church. it's either shut up and listen, or sing wether it is a disgrace for someone to speak in church depends entirely on what they say. who claims differently is stupid. so if you want to insist god says that, go ahead.. I for one don't buy it.

"feminism has caused many professing Christian women to become rough, loud and arrogant, the very opposite of how God wants Christian women to be"

orly? has it not also cut down on marital rape and domestic abuse? and what about the professing christian men who are quite clearly full of it? did maleism cause this? and what do you suggest to do about it -- that is, if you're even aware of the problem?

paul was teaching the Laws

I Corinthians 14:34: Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.


"as also saith the law"

[OnPower]

Originally Posted by Rakhel

Don't know why everyone forget Deborah.

that was a good try


if we read the account, God could not find anyone else to take the role of authority

They were all busy worshipping false gods

Do you need me to post this for you ?

[OnPower]

Originally Posted by sojourner

No, he picked a tired and old topic, that the fundies base upon 1) one passage from Paul and 2) the practices of the Catholic Church, neither of which is especially tenable when discussing "What God wants."

you can choose to ignore the laws as you please

Do you realize that all law will be restored in the kingdom?