Genesis 1 & 2 - For Discussion

[james2ko]

Originally Posted by 4given

That's also why "Gap Theory" is not biblical and only based on wild speculation of men, which suggest that God needed to "repair" or "renovate" the earth that was allegedly destroyed in the beginning. God creates new heavens and new earth and is not in the business of "repairing old heaven and old earth" .... or in this so called "renovation" business.

Sorry 4given, but God is in the renovation and repair business:

Psa 104:30 "You send forth Your Spirit, they [mankind] are created; And You renew the face of the earth."

Remember, only that which already exists can be renewed. Sending forth His Spirit to a pre-existing damaged earth is exactly what He did in Gen 1:2--

Gen 1:2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

The rest of the account is a renewal of the earth and the creation of mankind , just like the Psalm claims!

[4given]

Originally Posted by james2ko

Sorry 4given, but God is in the renovation and repair business:

Psa 104:30 "You send forth Your Spirit, they [mankind] are created; And You renew the face of the earth."

Remember, only that which already exists can be renewed. Sending forth His Spirit to a pre-existing damaged earth is exactly what He did in Gen 1:2--

Gen 1:2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

The rest of the account is a renewal of the earth and the creation of mankind , just like the Psalm claims!

tsk... tsk... tsk.... CONTEXT.... CONTEXT.... CONTEXT..... come on james2ko....

Psalms 104:30 is speaking of .... a side from new creatures arise to replace the dead ones.... the face of the earth is being continually renewed from the light of the sun.... from day to day.... year to year... season to season.... new one every spring and another new face that it had from the winter! It's continuing creation process....

Again, read my lips james2ko.... God is not in a renovation or repairing business.

Here's what Matthew Henry had to say about this same specific matter at hand......

Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created. The same spirit (that is, the same divine will and power) by which they were all created at first still preserves the several sorts of creatures in their being, and place, and usefulness; so that, though one generation of them passes away, another comes, and from time to time they are created; new ones rise up instead of the old ones, and this is a continual creation. Thus the face of the earth is renewed from day to day by the light of the sun (which beautifies it anew every morning), from year to year by the products of it, which enrich it anew every spring and put quite another face upon it from what it had all winter. The world is as full of creatures as if none died, for the place of those that die is filled up. This (the Jews say) is to be applied to the resurrection, which every spring is an emblem of, when a new world rises out of the ashes of the old one.

TRY AGAIN?

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by 4given

Again, read my lips james2ko.... God is not in a renovation or repairing business.

Which god are you talking about?

[james2ko]

Originally Posted by 4given

Tsk... Tsk... Tsk.... CONTEXT.... CONTEXT.... CONTEXT..... come on james2ko....

Psalms 104:30 is speaking of .... a side from new creature arises to replace the dead ones.... the face of the earth are being continually renewed from the light of the sun.... from day to day.... year to year... season to season.... new one every spring and another new face that it had from the winter! It's continuing creation process....

Again, read my lips james2ko.... God is not in a renovation or repairing business.

That's right my friend context is key. Read the whole Psalm. It alludes to the majesty and power of God manifested in the creation of all things and verse 30 clues us in on the events in Gen 1. Since we're quote mining and cherry picking theologians, here's what American Theologian Albert Barnes had to say:

"The psalm was probably founded on the record of the creation in Gen. 1; with a design to show that the order of the creation, as there described, “was adapted to the purposes which were intended, and was carried out in the providential arrangements now existing on the earth..."

And Mr Henry also agrees this Psalm refers to events in Genesis 1:

"Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created[/b]. The same spirit (that is, the same divine will and power) by which they were all created at first still preserves the several sorts of creatures in their being, and place, and usefulness;"

Thanks for the confirmation!

Originally Posted by 4given

Here's what Matthew Henry had to say about this same specific matter at hand......

Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created. The same spirit (that is, the same divine will and power) by which they were all created at first still preserves the several sorts of creatures in their being, and place, and usefulness; so that, though one generation of them passes away, another comes, and from time to time they are created; new ones rise up instead of the old ones, and this is a continual creation. Thus the face of the earth is renewed from day to day by the light of the sun (which beautifies it anew every morning), from year to year by the products of it, which enrich it anew every spring and put quite another face upon it from what it had all winter. The world is as full of creatures as if none died, for the place of those that die is filled up. This (the Jews say) is to be applied to the resurrection, which every spring is an emblem of, when a new world rises out of the ashes of the old one.

First you denounce biblical scholars and out of desperation you scurry behind one? How comical. Besides Matthew Henry was the extreme allegorist. This thread, which you created, is about a literal interpretation of the Genesis account. BTW, I'm still waiting patiently for a literal rebuttal and answer to my questions in post #49.

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by james2ko

First you denounce biblical scholars and out of desperation you scurry behind one?

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[4given]

Originally Posted by james2ko

That's right my friend context is key. Read the whole Psalm. It alludes to the majesty and power of God manifested in the creation of all things and verse 30 clues us in on the events in Gen 1. Since we're quote mining and cherry picking theologians, here's what American Theologian Albert Barnes had to say:

"The psalm was probably founded on the record of the creation in Gen. 1; with a design to show that the order of the creation, as there described, “was adapted to the purposes which were intended, and was carried out in the providential arrangements now existing on the earth..."

And Mr Henry also agrees this Psalm refers to events in Genesis 1:

"Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created[/b]. The same spirit (that is, the same divine will and power) by which they were all created at first still preserves the several sorts of creatures in their being, and place, and usefulness;"

Thanks for the confirmation!

First you denounce biblical scholars and out of desperation you scurry behind one? How comical. Besides Matthew Henry was the extreme allegorist. This thread, which you created, is about a literal interpretation of the Genesis account. BTW, I'm still waiting patiently for a literal rebuttal and answer to my questions in post #49.

Sorry, but the cited text does NOT support your speculation that the heaven and the earth became empty and void... thus needed a "renovation"... as a direct result of the allege Lucifer destruction and rebellion to God. You are trying to make a sour grapefruit juice by combining apples and orange.... and it does not work. Again, the rebellion of Lucifer happened in the spiritual realm of God... not on this physical realm of ours. Thus, you interpretation of the text is only based on your own religious wild assumption and speculation. No Scripture will support this kind of distorted view. I can guarantee you that!

2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

On the other hand, I have provided you with Scriptural reconciliation of the texts with (3) three witnesses to support my view regarding this same matter... which you also failed to refute nor contest anything about it. Therefore my post stand!

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: v6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished (Greek = totally destroyed; gone forever; dissolved):

Next please.....

[4given]

The first chapter of the Bible tells the complete History of how God created the Perfect Heaven. God wrote our History, before the events are complete.

Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

At the end of the present 6th Day, God's Perfect Heaven will be Finished or brought to Perfection. Then, the prophecy of Gen.2:3 will be fulfilled.... and only then God will Rest -- that is, He will Cease to Create from ALL his works which he created and made.

Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from ALL his work which God created and made.

Most Christians believe that the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit are still working today. In fact, Jesus is still preparing a place for us Christians to live in when this world is burned (Rev. 21). Since all we have is "today", those who will live forever, must be born again while it is still called, Today. Today is the only Day of Salvation. Therefore, today, we still remain on the 6th creative day of God.

The Bible was written for the past, present, and future (i.e. Book of Revelation). It is relevant for today, and tomorrow. Written by the Supreme Intelligence, it's just too hard for poor, ignorant, unbelievers to comprehend. The only way to have a better understanding is to pray for more wisdom and understanding.

[outhouse]

Written by the Supreme Intelligence

really? so god put pen to paper and supposedly lied about creating a inhabited world in a 6 days when science states this took billions of years. You dont think it was ancient hebrews that wrote the bible???

please dont start with gods time is not the same as the bible clearly states a 24 hour day is a day

[james2ko]

Originally Posted by 4given

Sorry, but the cited text does NOT support your speculation that the heaven and the earth became empty and void... thus needed a "renovation"... as a direct result of the allege Lucifer destruction and rebellion to God. You are trying to make a sour grapefruit juice by combining apples and orange.... and it does not work. Again, the rebellion of Lucifer happened in the spiritual realm of God... not on this physical realm of ours. Thus, you interpretation of the text is only based on your own religious wild assumption and speculation. No Scripture will support this kind of distorted view. I can guarantee you that!

2 Peter 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

On the other hand, I have provided you with Scriptural reconciliation of the texts with (3) three witnesses to support my view regarding this same matter... which you also failed to refute nor contest anything about it. Therefore my post stand!

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: v6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished (Greek = totally destroyed; gone forever; dissolved):

Next please.....

Your interpretation of 2 Pet 3:5-7 has already been refuted in post #22. Simply repeating bible verses that have been refuted isn't helping your cause, my friend. Now, for the second time, are you going to offer a rebuttal and answer my questions in post #49 or are you going to continue to spam the forum with your allegorical rhetoric?

[waitasec]

Originally Posted by 4given

it's just too hard for poor, ignorant, believers to comprehend. The only way to have a better understanding is to apply critical thinking.[/color]

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