One language (Earth, Kingdom, followers, Jehovah, translation)

[may]

, Nimrod apparently remained at Babel and expanded his dominion, founding the first Babylonian Empire.—Ge 10:11, 12.

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by may

Wrote Josephus: "[Nimrod] little by little transformed the state of affairs into a tyranny, holding that the only way to detach men from the fear of God was by making them continuously dependent upon his own power. He threatened to have his revenge on God if He wished to inundate the earth again; for he would build a tower higher than the water could reach and avenge the destruction of their forefathers. The people were eager to follow this advice of [Nimrod], deeming it slavery to submit to God; so they set out to build the tower . . . and it rose with a speed beyond all expectation."—Jewish Antiquities, I, 114, 115 (iv, 2, 3)

Though Josephus is a good source for the time period he lived in i'd be careful because, like many historians then and now, he had an agenda...that was to get the jews to fall in line w/ Rome...his was a Roman, not a jewish, audience.

[anders]

Originally Posted by pah

Let me get this straight - for four generations, the language of the world was ONE and God didn't like that????? Didn't God set that up by killing the rest of the world?

pah, don't you ever read the Bible? You should by now have recognized this recurring method: I'll tell them not to eat that fruit, and I know they will, so I'll get an opportunity to punish them, hehe. The people of the earth that I created will behave in the way I made them, and I don't like that, so I'll drown them. How can I get an excuse for terrorizing the Egyptians? Well, I'll harden Pharao's heart so I'm certain that he doesn't do as Moses tells him - and then!

[painted wolf]

Did you know that Welsh shares a linguistic ancestor with Hindi?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4328733.stm
It is likely that most languages came from a handfull of proto-languages. But the truth is that we likely never ALL spoke the same language. Heck, eaven Orangutans don't speak the same language as other Orangutans, they have cultural 'dialcets'.

I wan't to know how four generations was enough to get enough people to fill a city let alone build one?

wa:do

[jewscout]

Originally Posted by painted wolf

I wan't to know how four generations was enough to get enough people to fill a city let alone build one?

Some overactive labidoes!

[anders]

Originally Posted by painted wolf

Did you know that Welsh shares a linguistic ancestor with Hindi?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4328733.stm
It is likely that most languages came from a handfull of proto-languages. But the truth is that we likely never ALL spoke the same language. Heck, eaven Orangutans don't speak the same language as other Orangutans, they have cultural 'dialcets'.

I think that the answer to the question on the link page is that the accent similarity is just a coincidence. I have for example heard claims that the accent in one part of Sweden is very close to Welsh. I vote for coincidence here as well.

There is of course a fairly close relationship between Celtic and Indo-Iranian languages. We can see it in lots of words. The link mentions "9", but also the words for "5", despite not looking obviously similar, pump vs. panj, can be regularly brought back to a theoretical common origin, something like pengqwe. But the languages have taken separate roads, so that the grammars are so different that almost no similarities remain. Of the seven features Wikipedia mentions as characteristic for Celtic languages, Hindi has one: the two-gender system for nouns. Equally, the one Hindi feature which I regard as most characteristic and distanced from all other Indo-European languages I know, the verb clusters at the end of sentences (in a way very different from German), is the opposite of Celtic, where the verb normally precedes subject as well as object.

For all reconstructions like the "IE" or "PIE" (proto-Indo-European) word for "5" above, you should regard them more as convenient formulas for linguistic calculations than representatives of a languange once spoken.

[almifkhar]

i will put it simply, the tower of babel thing happened because man wanted to be like god basically. so god made it so folks could not understand eachother, this way they could not get together and be like god. one intresting note here as far as history says as of now. mesopotiamia is the mother civilization and came about around 11,000 b.c. then all of a sudden the nile river valley comes on the scene at around 7,000 b.c., then the indus river valley at around 6,000b.c., the yangtze river valley at around 6,500b.c. and finally mesoamerica at around 5,000. another note is that the writers of the bible borrowed the story from far older sources.

[painted wolf]

Anders- thanks for the info, I find linguistic evolution a realy neet subject.

Many have compaired Chreokee and Hebrew. (mostly trying to clame were some sort of 'lost tribe' bunk)
some surface similarities but with only so many sounds that is bound to happin... being an Iriquoian language you would think that the rest would 'sound' Hebrew too... but I guess not.

almifkhar- my people have been here for over 20,000 years, kinda' messes up the timeline.

wa:do

[almifkhar]

painted wolf i was referring to civilization (the advanced ones according to accademics) cities, language, farming on a mass scale if you will. yes there have been intellegant peoples all over the world living for thousands of years and i wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the native peoples in the americas have been here for far longer than 20,000 years. the difference is they didn't do what was done in the civilizations i spoke of and the timeline i was referring to was a major point that you missed.

[painted wolf]

actually the oldest civilization was in South America and was older than 5000 years ago.

It was little studied due to its location in the Peruvian Deserts and lack of large ammounts of gold.
Todays Archeologists arn't a heavy into tomb robbing so it is finally being studied.
It was around at the same time as the building of the Egypts pyramids.

New radiocarbon dates of plant fibers indicate that the site of Caral (120 miles north of Lima, Peru) was home to the earliest known urban settlement - with monumental corporate architecture and irrigation agriculture - in the New World. The surprising evidence pushes the development of these important advances in the Americas back to as early as 2627 B.C. - a time when the pyramids were being built in Egypt.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...ae-2504101.php

So yes we were doing what everyone elce was doing at about the same time.

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