Holy Wars, Crusades, Created by God, or by men? (beliefs, followers)

[EnhancedSpirit]

War is man's doing. Both physically and karmicly. (I think I just made up a word) What I mean is man was given free will. They chose to fight and kill creating negative karma that creates waves of the same. (something like that)

[robtex]

Originally Posted by EnhancedSpirit

War is man's doing. Both physically and karmicly. (I think I just made up a word) What I mean is man was given free will. They chose to fight and kill creating negative karma that creates waves of the same. (something like that)

If negative karma begets negative karma are you saying God is karma and as such he creates negative consequences for war mongers that results in the despair that might lead to further war? I think that is what I just read from you and I did understand it right wouldn't that be saying that God and man jointly cause war?

[Dr. Khan]

What if my religious beliefs cause every man womam and child give up their guns. What if at the coming of the Lord so much fear and dread enter into the hearts of all them who posses guns that they give them up turn them in, have them destroyed; including the nations of the earth. What if so much fear enter into the hearts of them in government, that they race to get rid of their weapons, even to suspend the manufacture of weapons and begin the process of weapons destructions. Well, because there is no greater nation in the earth to judge our nation as we judged Saddam Insane for his unlawful invasion of Kuwait, then God will have to judge our nation himself. In fact the judgment has already begun. We shall likely disperse our wealth into all the nations of the world. This is all very exciting to me, I consider myself a spectator, beholding this great specticle. All nations (people) shall observe our great hypocrites, and say

[Master Vigil]

I'm not sure if the prospect of a non-existent god judging the world is going to fear too many people Khan. I too wish everyone would put down their guns, I just don't feel a simple un-proven concept could even come close to achieve that. Instead, it only breeds more violence and hatred because people fight to prove their god is the only god, their god is the one who will judge, their god, their god, their god... etc... I believe the world would be much more peaceful if tolerance and respect were more important than "god."

[EnhancedSpirit]

Originally Posted by robtex

If negative karma begets negative karma are you saying God is karma and as such he creates negative consequences for war mongers that results in the despair that might lead to further war? I think that is what I just read from you and I did understand it right wouldn't that be saying that God and man jointly cause war?

Karma is not God, or punishment/reward from God. It is a law of nature. Cause and effect, but on a level that is different than physical science can measure. The commandments were given to use to help us know the biggest of the Karma Makers, and they were not given as a demand from God. They were given to us because Moses wanted to know how he could teach his people to be closer to God.

[TripleHelix]

3 Things, Great writings everybody *(barring a few)
1. That's why they call it faith, Master Vigil. They would fight wars for a God that many people do not belive in because they have this crazy concept called "FAITH"
2. As was written on Page 3, it is said that though people think wars are terrible, if the war is Just, then it is a good war.
3. Who are we, humans to say No to war. Wars have been fought for centuries. just because humanity is progressing dosen't mean ideals and courage are going to go away.

[Master Vigil]

Originally Posted by TripleHelix

3 Things, Great writings everybody *(barring a few)
1. That's why they call it faith, Master Vigil. They would fight wars for a God that many people do not belive in because they have this crazy concept called "FAITH"

So faith is what destroys the world. I knew it all along.

One way to test a faith, if it involves war and murder, it's not a good faith.

2. As was written on Page 3, it is said that though people think wars are terrible, if the war is Just, then it is a good war.

There is no just war, there is no just in killing. I wonder why our just wars don't stop future wars. Perhaps because they aren't necessary, and all they do is breed more violence.

3. Who are we, humans to say No to war. Wars have been fought for centuries. just because humanity is progressing dosen't mean ideals and courage are going to go away.

Oh yeah, who are we to say no to rape, murder, theft, etc... people have been doing it for centuries. Just because humanity is progressing doesn't mean our instincts are going away.

[TripleHelix]

Yet, Master Vigil, Religion is not what destroys a world. Having faith in God and waging war in his name are not horrible, terrible things. What a person here on Earth does is what kills and or "ruins" the earth. We are all just almost worthless beings. There have been millions before us and millions after, and we will all make a difference in a way. No one man is going to stop war.
Who are we to judge wars, or even if a faith that fights all the time is a good faith. As I said before, we are nothing compared to God, and though i hate to say it Satan, and they are the ones who guide our courses, and God is all that matters. We are nothing compared to them.

[Master Vigil]

I would definitely say waging war in god's name is horrible and terrible. Especially since I believe war is one of the farthest thing from godliness. No one being is worthless, not even almost. I am sad you view everyone this way. I would want the millions of come after me to have a world to live in with no wars, fought in the name of someones god or not.

Since I don't believe god causes wars, and they are simply human actions, I definitely say we can judge them. A god that guides us into war is not a god I want to be associated with.

[almifkhar]

war is based on nothing more than profit and greed. religion is in the hearts and minds of many, many people. i think that these so called holy wars are created by fat cats who want something over there and realized many years ago that using religion was a good way to go about getting what they wanted. it is a good way to get people to fight and risk their lives, it is a good way to divide and conquer the people of the land that the war mongers want, and it is a good way to crush and humble the people who are losing. so based on this idea i would have to say that killing in the name of is done by man and man alone.