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Old 03-06-2005, 10:23 AM
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No* besides crusades does man create war or does God command it of his followers or both?
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Old 03-06-2005, 10:49 AM
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No* besides crusades does man create war or does God command it of his followers or both?
Since I believe the OT, I do believe in the Conquest...but that's a pretty limited list, and if anyone told me that they believe that "God told them to go to war," I'd be pretty quick to apply the label "dangerous quack" to them .
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James 4:1 What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don't they come from your desires that battle within you? 2 You want something but don't get it. You kill and covet, but you cannot have what you want. You quarrel and fight. You do not have, because you do not ask God. 3 When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.

Since the First Century, ALL wars have been the result of man's arrogance. MV and I don't always agree, but I feel his post was AWESOME.
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War is killing. Killing another human being is against the rules of all religions. That means that war is created by man.
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Thanks NetDoc. Atleast we agree on some of the more important things.
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Jehovah in the Old Testament and stated that he would teach his people war. In the spring of the years the tribal sheiks to took their men and raided the agriculture communities surrounding the desert. They brought back loot and slaves ten percent of this was given to God.
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GOD does not ask humans to do anything that GOD cannot DO him/herself.
GOD does not interfere with our human lives.
GOD does not punish or judge or enact revenge.

GOD does not murder or take away lives.
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True to a point. What about trying to defend your religion? Think about it, when the Original Crusades were launched, they were because the Muslims to the East, who were once peaceful and productive were overthrown by their converts, the Turks. Then they won so much land that they finally had to wage war. What do you think of a situation like that?
TripleHelix i think your simplifying a far more complex event in history. The Crusades, though involving religion in the foreground, had more to do w/ politics between the two forms of christianity at the time and Rome's attempt to make Byzantium kneel to it's power...
political and economic power struggles cleverly disguised under the guise of faith...
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