Baptists aren't protestants. (priests, reject, Epistles, creation, attend)

[Mike182]

hey everyone, i'll post this now:

if you want to debate this subject then we can either set up another thread in the debates section, or with the consent of the author of the OP, move this thread to the debates section, but as it stands at the moment, this thread is in DIR Baptists forum - no debating allowed

[des]

Originally Posted by Mike182

hey everyone, i'll post this now:

if you want to debate this subject then we can either set up another thread in the debates section, or with the consent of the author of the OP, move this thread to the debates section, but as it stands at the moment, this thread is in DIR Baptists forum - no debating allowed

Oh, sorry! OTOH, it seems a little more debatable than perhaps the OP poster intended. But sorry anyway. I'll try to behave myself.


--des

[sojourner]

Originally Posted by Luke_17:2

Yes they did officialy break from Rome. Henry VIII broke the Church of England (which had always existed a contiuancy of the Church of Rome) from Rome when the Pope refused to annul his marriage.

And the Orthadox church was originally above the Roman Church. The Byzantine Emperor was also the head of the Christian Church which extended to the Patriarch of Rome (later the Pope of Rome). When emperor Leo III didn't assist Rome during the Lombard invasion of Italy, Rome effectively became independent, and did not pledge allegiance to the Eastern Emperor any more. Though the schism didn't occur until much later.



You are kidding right?

Church of England=Anglican Church=Episcopal Church!

That's an interesting take on it. The history of the Church in England is rather convoluted, because it just doesn't conform to the defining standards that others impose upon it. The C of E eschewed the authority of the pope, but did not intend to depart from the Roman Church in point of doctrine. That's why I said that the C of E were technically not Protestant.

There were Protestant factions within the C of E, and some of those even found significant voice. However, the Church never estranged itself from the historic episcopacy. As a point of fact, The Book of Common Prayer does a superb job of blending Protestant and Catholic flavors into a cohesive whole.

"Church of England = Anglican = Episcopal Church" is true today. But at the time of John Wesley, there was no such entity as the Episcopal Church. Methodism "began" in about 1720 in Oxford, as a movement within the C of E. The Episcopal Church was not begun as an autonomous entity until 1783, at a conference held at Annapolis, Maryland and formally adopted the name, "Protestant Episcopal Church." That same year, the Connecticut clergy elected Samuel Seabury as their prospective bishop.

[bible truth]

Originally Posted by Luke_17:2

Historcally, Baptists have never claimed to be Protestant. A protestant Church is one that broke from the Cathcolic Chruch during the reformation: i.e. Anglicanism, Presbyterianism, Calvinism, Lutheranism, and Dutch Reformed. The Baptist Chruch dates back to the dark ages, maybe even to the time of the apostles. Of course the term "baptist" wasn't used until the 17th centruy, they were more commonly called "Free Churches"; i.e free of the Catholic Church. This of course won them the title of "heretics", and the presecution of Rome: this is the cause of the deep hatred of the Roman Church among Baptists today.

Another non-Protestant church is the Methodist Church. It broke from the Episcopal Church; not the Catholic Church.

Are you familar with Charles Spurgeon, Arthur Pink, John MacArthur, John Piper, or the London Baptist Confession?

[angellous_evangellous]

Originally Posted by bible truth

Are you familar with Charles Spurgeon, Arthur Pink, John MacArthur, John Piper, or the London Baptist Confession?

I am... but what do they have to do with anything here?

[bible truth]

Originally Posted by angellous_evangellous

I am... but what do they have to do with anything here?

They are all Protestants (true protestors of Rome) who hold to the common baptist convictions.

[bible truth]

http://www.ccel.org/ccel/anonymous/bcf.html

Hey Luke,

Please read the London Baptsit Confession at the link above. This is sound Reformed Theology including Covenant Theology (not dispensational John Darby, Scofield Theology). In addition, the Southen Baptist Convention (largest denomination in USA) has Calvinism roots. The President of the Southern Baptist Convention Seminary is a staunch Calvinist. Therefore, the Southern Baptist Seminary is producing godly Pastors with strong Calvinist convictions (Reformed Theology - Solas!). BT