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Mostly Abrahmic religions are concidered the main Bahaist beliefs
Not really...the Eastern religions like Hinduism and Buddhism are specifically mentioned. In addition, there are Native American religions whose Founders are lost to history, but we'd consider valid.

The thing is, Baha'i Writings are clear that humanity has *never* been left without guidance. Well, there are some times (and even places) in human history where religious practice was polytheistic, so does that automatically rule them out as somehow invalid? Apparently not, if there was still "guidance" to be had.

While we're definitely monotheistic (as much as Jews or Muslims are even), there's a recognition that 1) just because a religion's practice is polytheistic doesn't mean it's polytheistic at the core (Hinduism would be one example of that, and 2) in ancient times, perhaps it was more understandable for people to worship "gods" in the sense that they were really attributes of a greater thing.

Would we like it if everyone were monotheistic as we are? Sure. If they're not, does it mean they're following a "false" religion. Nope.
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So while Joseph Smith may have been a "seer" (don't ask me for the definition), LDS teachings as I understand them definitely fall into this polytheistic category....
Which apparently doesn't suffice to make LDS "false." It just means they have a different view of God than we do, but then so do mainline Christians, so...what?

You might be interested to pop up Ocean and search on "Mormon." There's a great story in Marzieh Gail's "Arches of the Years" about close ties between Mormons and Persian students in the American West in the 50s. Apparently Ali-Kuli Khan Nabil, a charge d'affairs in D.C., was impressed enough with the Mormons he met in Utah that he sent 4 of his nephews there to study.
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what makes polytheistic beliefs appear more man-made than monotheistic ones in your opinion?
I'm a Baha'i, and the Baha'i scriptures stress (as one of our three most central teachings) the fact that God is One (and admits of no division).

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Mostly Abrahmic religions are concidered the main Bahaist beliefs
This is misleading, I fear.

While the Baha'i Faith itself is definitely Abrahamic, its beliefs and teachings are founded specifically on its own scriptures rather than on any others.

And that said, I would suggest that the Faith respects all the great religions equally....

BTW, the correct term is "Baha'i" for both the noun and adjective forms.

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if we did believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet, we would be Mormons, yes?
Possibly historically, up until the time of Baha'u'llah. . .

But while I stipulate the LDS emphasis on Christ, in the context of the recent discussion about polytheism, I would suggest that the HUGE present-day sticking point from the Baha'i POV (ignoring certain former LDS teachings now discarded) is the fact that they teach not one-God-only but the existence of many such along with the possibility of each individual's potentially also becoming a God! Whatever this is, it isn't monotheism.

And insofar as I understand all this, such a doctrine is totally at odds with the Baha'i concept of God....

(YMMV as ever.)

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Possibly historically, up until the time of Baha'u'llah. . .
Joseph Smith died in 1844.

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But while I stipulate the LDS emphasis on Christ, in the context of the recent discussion about polytheism, I would suggest that the HUGE present-day sticking point from the Baha'i POV (ignoring certain former LDS teachings now discarded) is the fact that they teach not one-God-only but the existence of many such along with the possibility of each individual's potentially also becoming a God! Whatever this is, it isn't monotheism.

And insofar as I understand all this, such a doctrine is totally at odds with the Baha'i concept of God....
I think if you want to explore the LDS concept of God, it would be a good idea to ask the LDS folks here directly.

And I already said that we had a different concept of God. Even members of LDS would tell you that. I just think that, give the texts I quoted, it does not follow that having a different God-concept than ours makes a religion invalid. If that were so, then all Chritianity would be invalid, and somehow I doubt you'd agree to that any more than I would.
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In searching through the Bahai threads, I've learned that Bahai teaches that most religions, primarily the dominant ones through history, are progressive revelations from God. However, it is admitted that some religions are not from God. Which religions are these, and why are they wrong?
Well, perhaps you see why I was hesitant to even mention an example of a religion I thought might be "not from God."

This is what we're supposed to be doing:

We have erewhile declared -- and Our Word is the truth -- : "Consort with the followers of all religions in a spirit of friendliness and fellowship." Whatsoever hath led the children of men to shun one another, and hath caused dissensions and divisions amongst them, hath, through the revelation of these words, been nullified and abolished.

(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 95)

Any discussion of what religions are "false" imo tends to lead in a different direction -- it makes people "shun one another."

Which is why Baha'is in my experience don't spend time talking about which religions are false and which are true. We learn about them, and by doing so notice what we hold in common, what is similar, and what is different, but it's not our place as individuals to go around telling anyone their religion is false. Even our institutions don't do that -- why should individuals do so then?
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Joseph Smith died in 1844.
Yes; I'm well aware of that.

But still, had we been LDS, it could indeed have been 'til Bah'au'llah's announcement....

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Yes; I'm well aware of that.

But still, had we been LDS, it could indeed have been 'til Bah'au'llah's announcement....
OK, I get it...you missed my point. It doesn't matter that much anyway.
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Well, perhaps you see why I was hesitant to even mention an example of a religion I thought might be "not from God."

This is what we're supposed to be doing:

We have erewhile declared -- and Our Word is the truth -- : "Consort with the followers of all religions in a spirit of friendliness and fellowship." Whatsoever hath led the children of men to shun one another, and hath caused dissensions and divisions amongst them, hath, through the revelation of these words, been nullified and abolished.

(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 95)

Any discussion of what religions are "false" imo tends to lead in a different direction -- it makes people "shun one another."

Which is why Baha'is in my experience don't spend time talking about which religions are false and which are true. We learn about them, and by doing so notice what we hold in common, what is similar, and what is different, but it's not our place as individuals to go around telling anyone their religion is false. Even our institutions don't do that -- why should individuals do so then?
While I can respect the Bahai attitude to focus on similarities and not differences, I also think that walks a fine line of avoiding hard truths. Some things that people believe are just wrong, and everyone can't be right about everything. Some religious viewpoints are just mutually exclusive and that's all there is to it. That's why I was interested to see which religions that Bahai (or at least individual Bahai followers) considered false.

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