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Old 02-16-2008, 10:32 AM
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Debating with someone who choses to use words differently than their meaning is about a useful a a kickstand on a tank.

Perhaps it would be good, before getting in a debate with someone, to agree on a dictionary to use.
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Old 02-16-2008, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by fantôme profane View Post
Did you actually go to dictionary.com yourself and look up the definition of religion? [/quote]

Yep I did. An I used those words exactly to disprove that the definition implies atheism is religion. Because as we all know, atheists don't necessarily share the same belief system or ideals. The only one they can all agree on is there is no god.

And Zenzero... I honestly am not sure what you're talking about. I don't know if you're trying to be profound or trying to give me a life lesson or what. But if it's important to you... well, ok then.
Atheism has no belief system and no ideals. Any belief system or ideals an individual atheist holds is entirely unrelated to his atheism.
Only hard atheism believes there is no God. Ordinary, soft atheism is simply a choice not to believe until some evidence is produced.

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Old 02-16-2008, 12:50 PM
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I'm having a debate with someone in another forum who keeps trying to tell me atheism is a religion. I know it is not!
You never posted the link to your debate but based on this alone I am going to suggest you are not in a debate. The person or people who make a vapid claim such as this have already decided their position on god, atheism and anything to those related topics and are very unlikely to change opinion irregardless of what you post. A debate is only legitimate if both sides view the opposing arguments and address them in relation to the op. From my experience a theist who starts off with "atheism is a religion" is rarely if ever, open to anything that opposes their opinion or suggests that their God 100 % surely exists.

Generally if you see things like :

1) atheism is a religion
2) You can't prove God doesn't exist
3) absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
4) ID (or creationism) is just as valid as evolution
5) Atheist deny God based on faith

or other equally vapid phrases you are not likely in a debate. You are more likely part of proselytizing event where everything you post will be ignored while the other side sticks to their opening premise as "proof that God exists".
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