Is atheism negative thinking? (reincarnation, atheist, eternity, God, religion)

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by xexon

Atheists are a product of their own mind.

They will adore it for a while and then treat it like yesterday's toy. Its not that they've made up their mind about God, they are merely waiting for more data to arrive so they can make a decision. They are open, rather than closed. They are not hemmed in by one religious system or another either.

They are actually a plowed field awaiting seed. The waiting is the part you see.



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I'm not sure I agree with all of this. My question to you is...Are you an Athiest? You can't presume to know anything about athieism unless you've been one or are one and still that wouldn't reperesent ALL athiest.

We take our way of life VERY seriously. we are not waiting for more data that a god exist. Your definition of our way of life is similar to how some agnostics are. We don't believe in gods, or religion. We usually make our position very clear. And you are incorrect to assume that we are waiting on anything.

[Dirty Penguin]

[quote=indecisive cookies!!!]I've heard that many people say religious people are sometimes more likely to survive an operation or illness because they are more optimistic, and atheists don't as much because they are pessimistic. [quote]

Yeah... this isn't true. not all theist in the operating room are optimistic. I would say all are the same. it depends on the person.

I don't think that is true because if you are truly prepared for death and no afterlife, reincarnation, nirvana, or any other supernatural consiousness, that means religion is more of a wishful thinking thing. Maybe atheists are realists and theists are idealists. Tell me your thoughts!

I can't speak for theist. They look to their God or gods for guidance and if this what makes them happy or optemistic then so be it. Who are we (Athiest) to deprive them of what makes them happy. I may not agree with a theistic way of life but i do repect their right to believe whatever they want.

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by Adalwulf

Atheists accept the reality they're in. That is positive thinking.

well put.....

[xexon]

Originally Posted by DreGod07

I'm not sure I agree with all of this. My question to you is...Are you an Athiest? You can't presume to know anything about athieism unless you've been one or are one and still that wouldn't reperesent ALL athiest.

We take our way of life VERY seriously. we are not waiting for more data that a god exist. Your definition of our way of life is similar to how some agnostics are. We don't believe in gods, or religion. We usually make our position very clear. And you are incorrect to assume that we are waiting on anything.

I didn't say you that you would be aware of it.

You are aware of alot of things except yourself. To know yourself, minus the concept of who you believe yourself to be, is to know God. To understand how you create everything around you. Including the self image that is so very difficult to push through.

And to answer your question,

If I am God, then I am also an atheist, because to me, there is no separation from the created or creator. I am aware of it's existance as a part of me, but I do not identify with it. I have freewill to do so, but why limit myself to such a thing?

Only the mind knows limits.


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[eudaimonia]

I don't believe in life after death, however, this doesn't mean that I am terrorized by the thought of my own death. However, I love my life, and perhaps I would have a stronger will to live than afterlife-believers, because they might long for death!


eudaimonia,

Mark

[eudaimonia]

Originally Posted by xexon

You are aware of alot of things except yourself. To know yourself, minus the concept of who you believe yourself to be, is to know God. To understand how you create everything around you. Including the self image that is so very difficult to push through.

No, that is to know your true self -- your self as it really is. If you confuse that with God, that is your own confusion.

Atheists are a product of their own mind.

They will adore it for a while and then treat it like yesterday's toy. Its not that they've made up their mind about God, they are merely waiting for more data to arrive so they can make a decision. They are open, rather than closed.

The mistake you are making here is to think that an atheist's worldview is summed up by the statement "There is no God or gods". However, an atheist's worldview can, and usually does, say much, much more than this.

I have plenty of data to work from to craft my worldview. My decision has already been made. This is not to say that I am "closed-minded", but I am not indecisive either.


eudaimonia,

Mark

[xexon]

Nothing I can say will change your mind, thats your responsibility. Actually, I encourage people to explore whatever path they have chosen. It is only by traveling it that you will see where it goes.

The idea is to be open for options, should they present themselves later. To be locked into a rule or idea is to stagnate. A human whirlpool. Lots of action, but not much progress.


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[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by xexon

You are aware of alot of things except yourself.

On this I disagree. There is no mystery for me. I don't need to spend any length of time to know who I am, and to know what I want. I may have to spend time to get an understanding of others. If you or others need time to get to know yourselves then that is on you.

Originally Posted by xexon

To know yourself, minus the concept of who you believe yourself to be, is to know God.

To make myself clear again. I don't believe in gods. But I know myself. This is your opinion projected upon me.

Originally Posted by xexon

To understand how you create everything around you. Including the self image that is so very difficult to push through.

Not at all. It's not difficult for me. There is no mystery for me. If others need a crutch then so be it.

Originally Posted by xexon

And to answer your question,

If I am God, then I am also an atheist, because to me, there is no separation from the created or creator. I am aware of it's existance as a part of me, but I do not identify with it.

I'm not sure that was the question I asked. But again, this is where we disagree. This concept of a creator is not our concept. Your view is yours... it's not ours.

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by xexon

Nothing I can say will change your mind, thats your responsibility. Actually, I encourage people to explore whatever path they have chosen. It is only by traveling it that you will see where it goes.

The idea is to be open for options, should they present themselves later. To be locked into a rule or idea is to stagnate. A human whirlpool. Lots of action, but not much progress.


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Well Said.......