Atheists Only: Would this be proof? (Jesus, beliefs, blood, creation)

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by purplehaze

Your analogy is kind of absurd actually.

I just love it when a newbie puts me down. It leaves such a lasting first impression.

This God is a loser. He is nothing more than a cosmic tyrant who gets his kicks out of watching people suffer from the terminal diseases he created.

Yeah, well maybe you are speaking of a different God than I worship. Just a suggestion: Try to get a handle on your contempt. You'll last a lot longer around here if you do.

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by eudaimonia

As a computer programmer, myself, who knows something about computers and random number generators, I call fraud, or at best a generous fudging of their interpretation of the evidence.

Random number generators use simple mathematical algorithms to generate each successive "random" number. There isn't actually anything random about it -- the proper term is "pseudo-random". The value of such algorithms is that the numbers generated are unexpected, but they are fully deterministic -- one can predict the outcome of the number generation if one knows the seed value, just as one can, in theory, predict the behavior of any computer program by knowing the initial conditions.

For a random number to produce values that it shouldn't be able to generate -- to violate the math underlying the operations of the processor -- it would be necessary for only certain exact bit elements out of possibly thousands or millions in the computer to change state at just the right times, and no one would ever know which elements the random number generator would be using for this variable! Flipping the wrong bits would likely crash the computer.

How can even the most psychic people influence precisely the right computer bits and never make a misstep that would crash the computer? And a much better test would be to see two different computers generate two different sets of pseudo-random results using the same seed values. It boggles my mind that anyone would take this seriously as a test of psychic powers. There must be better tests.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Being a computer nerd and network engineer...I would agree with you on this.....

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by DreGod07

Prove to me that "God" is needed.....

Sorry, I have neither the need nor the desire to prove anything to anybody. I posed a simple question, and it is seriously nothing for anybody to get all up in arms over.

[purplehaze]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

I just love it when a newbie puts me down. It leaves such a lasting first impression.

Yeah, well maybe you are speaking of a different God than I worship. Just s suggestion: Try to get a handle on your contempt. You'll last a lot longer around here if you do.

Is your God BibleGod by chance? That's the God I'm referring to. It's not a real God at all. It's a god that was invented by the sadistic humans living in primitive times that had no concept of what the universe was all about at the time. So in their superstious minds they created/invented one in their own little image.

Why would any rational thinking person in our modern times today have even the slightest desire at all to believe in such a creature?

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by purplehaze

No this wouldn't convince me to "just believe" in God. Your analogy is kind of absurd actually. All it does is beg the question as to whether a God hears prayers and heals people by such a thing. If this god of yours is so real, why would there be any need to pray and request that he or she or it heal at all. It's almost like saying this so called wonderful invisible loving being in the sky created terminal diseases to get the humans he created to beg him to heal and cure people. If such a god did heal people by such a request just to prove he is real, I would spit in his face for allowing such things to occur in our world. He is not worthy of any level of rational attention or worship or whatever religious term you want to slap on it. This God is a loser. He is nothing more than a cosmic tyrant who gets his kicks out of watching people suffer from the terminal diseases he created.

KUDOS.....


I like that....You said that with such great force....

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by purplehaze

Why would any rational thinking person in our modern times today have even the slightest desire at all to believe in such a creature?

1. I am a rational, thinking person who believes in God.
2. Read the forum rules.

[Dirty Penguin]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Sorry, this is not a debate thread. I have neither the need nor the desire to prove anything to anybody. I posed a simple question, and it is seriously nothing for anybody to get all up in arms over.

Oh...don't get me wrong......I honestly believe that you and others like you will never be able to prove the existance of god that is why i asked the question...we know that you will stick to that your god does exist and there will be VERY little if anything that will change that.

I'm not upset at the question...I just thought it was a silly one. It seemed to me that other variables could be the cause of 250k living and the other dying.....

[Dirty Penguin]

OK....for the sake of NOT debating......

the answer to the question is......

NOOOOOO!!!!!

To ask for an explanation on this position will cause us to break the rules and thus begin to debate....

Maybe the thread should have started out with you asking the question and putting it to a vote....

Were you just seeking a Yes or a NO???

[purplehaze]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

1. I am a rational, thinking person who believes in God.
2. This is not a debate forum.
3. Read the forum rules.

1. A rational thinking person who believes in God? sounds like an oxymoron to me.

You posted a topic that required a response. Sounds like your intentions were for the purpose of dialog/debate to me. You posted some questions, I responded. Sorry you are unable to handle my responses based on intellectual honesty.

If you are a rational thinking person then why do you believe in bibleGod?

Biblegod is not a rational entity in my not so humble opinion. In order to believe in such a creature one must suspend rational thinking for however long it takes to continually believe such a thing literally exists.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by DreGod07

OK....for the sake of NOT debating, the answer to the question is NOOOOOO!!!!!

Thank you.

To ask for an explanation on this position will cause us to break the rules and thus begin to debate.

Are you telling me that you cannot simply explain your position and let it go at that?

Maybe the thread should have started out with you asking the question and putting it to a vote.

Yeah, well it's too late now.

Were you just seeking a Yes or a NO???

No, I wasn't. I was seeking a 'yes' or 'no' and an explanation. Is it really all that complicated?