An article against Atheism (creation, America, theist, Christian, Christ)

[Silicon Hero]

Originally Posted by Eudaimonist

That's a non-sequitur.


eudaimonia,

Mark

Would you mind explaining to me how its a non-sequitor?

[smiling4ever]

no........

[Elvendon]

Originally Posted by Silicon Hero

Would you mind explaining to me how its a non-sequitor?

Because something being popular with one group does not stop it being popular with another.

It's like saying cows can't like grass because horses also like grass.

[Mick in England]

On the one hand, atheists are logical by refusing to believe in a God they can't see, but at the same time they're illogical in refusing to consider Jesus's words when he said "God sent me to tell you secrets hidden since the foundation of the world"..

[Sunstone]

Originally Posted by Mick in England

On the one hand, atheists are logical by refusing to believe in a God they can't see, but at the same time they're illogical in refusing to consider Jesus's words when he said "God sent me to tell you secrets hidden since the foundation of the world"..

I'm not sure I follow you, Mick. Could you elaborate on what's "illogical" about not accepting the claim of someone you do not believe to be an authority on deity?

[Jayhawker Soule]

Mike in England,

After answering Sunstone's excellent question, would you please provide the reference for your quote? Thanks.

[TurkeyOnRye]

I would also like to hear why rejecting such a statement is illogical.

[des]

A fundie think tank?! Well there's is an oxymoron. Yes, the article was pretty much drivel. First of all, maybe atheism isn't too popular in the *US* *right now*, but most of Western Europe is probably at some level non-theistic, agnostic, or at least unchurched.

I have read both Sam Harris' books and think he has more to say than this stuff does. Does he have me convinced? Almost but not quite. OTOH, I
don't /probably never have believed in a personal God that knows you.

OTOH, Sam Harris asserts that without religion, basically this is the only way for humans to survive and so forth. I now consider this also somewhat of a "faith based" assertion. But this is a bit outside the arguments of this article. Harris holds a very strong impassioned view of theism (including progressives, agnostism, etc.) that seems almost to be based on the faith that he can actually convince others of this thru logical argument. He also doesn't separate what Europeans believe into subsections (like agnostism, etc. which he condemns). He even compares crime rates in blue states vs. red states. But there is no evidence that people in blue states dont' believe in God, though they are less fundamentalist. So imo, this sort of is not based on true observation. He is basically cutting out info that isn't convenient. This sort of idea is a kind of militancy in non-belief that to me almost is like belief.

For instance, if you say "I don't believe in god(s), and don't care". That's one thing. IF you say, "I don't believe in your god, and neither should you", that requires some degree of "evangelism". However, this is way over the heads of the authors of this little passage imo.


--des