Question to Athiests. (Creator, beliefs, pray, bible, worship)

[hadeka]

Hi

I realy want to ask an important question to people who doesnts believe in the existance of god, because i would like to share information and opinions.

the question is:

What is the proofs or the non-existance of god?

what is the major proofs that god doesnt exist?

i will wait for the answers pls

Thank you

Hadeka.

[tumble_weed]

uhh...>_< I hate it when that happens...the computer...stuffed up so now I have to rewrite this whole thing....oh well...

since both of your questions are pretty similar and are asking about the same thing I'll just answer why I don't believe that god exists...oh and the plural of proof is just proof...

first of all there is no proof at all that God...just like there is no proof that anything doesn't actually exist, but it is possible to say that it is most likely that God doesn't actually exist...for example...imagine if I tell you that there is a giant invisible shoe floating above your head which for some reason cannot be percieved at all, you would probably not believe me...as there are more logical reasons why the shoe is most likely not to be floating above your head, right? Just as you can make a judgement to if the tooth fairy really exists...

anyway I wont post what I wrote before...I wrote about 300 words...but I can't really be bothered writing it out again...I might later...but anyway I said something along the lines of that believeing in god has positive psychological properties and that belif in something that's constantly watching over us can give us hope

...I might post some stuff later...

[Ceridwen018]

ack! tumble_weed that sucks! I feel for ya! *grumble*stupid computers*grumble*

In answer to your question, Hadeka, I would first have to agree with tumble_weed. I'd like to add, that in science, lack of proof and evidence warrants lack of existence, and like tumble_weed mentioned, it is pretty much impossible to find evidence AGAINST something when it never existed in the first place. I guess if archeologists were to uncover an ancient stone tablet reading 'There is no god!' that would certainly be something, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

If you hold out belief in something simply because there is no proof against it, then you would also have to hold out belief for unicorns, leprecauns, the Loch Ness monster, Big Foot, and the rest of the gang.

I also don't believe in god because all of the supposed 'proof and evidence' FOR god is incredibly contradictory and full of holes.

I'm very interested in what you have to say--this seems like it could be a great discussion!

[tumble_weed]

yup thanks XD

lets see what I can conjure up now

another reason is that Animals don't appear to believe in God or Gods etc...You don't see animals worshiping, praying....od displaying religious beliefs in any way...It only seems to be the animals who have the capability for imagination, which are Humans...We have the capability to imagine things, come up with abstract ideas etc...which could explain the existence or "existence" of God...which ties in with what I was saying about psychological effects of believing in God. Remember how powerful the mind is!! (that needs two exclamation marks)

one more point is that it cannot be proven that God created everything...there are many other equally as plausible explanations of how things came to be. Also if you think about it saying God made everythings seems like an easy way of explaining something and as you know this world is very complex...
Ie...
"why do _________exist?"
"God made them."
so having a simple explanation of how something happened is sometimes nicer and easier especially when there are things which cannot be scientifically proven yet ...so linking them with something such as an ultimate Creator is a nice way to easily explain a problem when it cannot be explained in other ways. Much like the tooth fairy.

Also as Ceridwen018 says

"I also don't believe in god because all of the supposed 'proof and evidence' FOR god is incredibly contradictory and full of holes."

See the thing is Christianity is based mainly over a book and the problem with that is the type of logic that the book is God's word supposedly written by God, which is a problem since it is just like me writing a book on how cool I am, the problem with that book is that it's my viewpoint about me and doesn't offer any alternative ideas or ways of thinking...and it is my personal view on me. So it can only be very subjective.

Also another thing I thing is who God is...because never anywhere is it stated exactly who he is, how he got here and why did he invent us. Actually if you think about it you somehow need to think why did God create absolutely everything...did he have a cause...?

etc...

in fact check out the rest of the atheism forum and the debates forum for other ideas etc...

[tumble_weed]

once again....i hate computers....>_<

this is really just annoying me...anyway...double post...sorry

[Mr Spinkles]

hadeka--

Before anything can be disproved, there must be a definition of it in the first place. Could you offer a definition of God for us to work with?

For example, in the past, God was defined (partly) as the cause of things which appear to us to have no cause. Ancient humans had no idea what caused the wind to blow....but no one likes saying "I do not know what causes the wind to blow". So, "God" causes it. Nowadays we know what causes wind (temperature variations in the atmosphere, etc). However, if you told ancient peoples that God = temperature variations in the atmosphere, you would probably be stoned to death.

[HelpMe]

another reason is that Animals don't appear to believe in God or Gods etc...You don't see animals worshiping, praying....od displaying religious beliefs in any way...It only seems to be the animals who have the capability for imagination, which are Humans...

well, according to christianity animals don't have spirit or free will, they were made to be in subjection to us and/or for our/'god''s amusement i suppose.

i would like to know how you athiests believe everything started.i think that since we are in a watch, it is interesting for us to find how this watch works, but i'd like to know your idea of who wound this watch up?was it a ball of gas perpetually heating up for no apparent reason?


--S

[linwood]

Originally Posted by HelpMe

i would like to know how you athiests believe everything started.--S

I don`t know, what do you think?

[Runt]

Gerani1248,
It has been taken care of.

Throw-Jew-Down-the-well,
Please respond directly to the original post. The questions are "What are the proofs for the non-existance of god? What are the major proofs that god doesnt exist?" Saying there is no proof for the existence of God does not answer the question. Nor do your comments about sheep or Jews. For this reason your post has been edited.

[Confused]

With many atheists, they tend to believe that science was the base of all existence and life coming to be. Its what i think anyway and it seems more reliable...