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Old 11-19-2009, 09:26 PM
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Actually, my computer was built using circuit theory. I have yet to see one of the spectacularly rare and expensive quantum computers on the home market.
Your computer is a basic binary machine working with semiconducor junction devices, transistors, there's some hundred million transistors in its chip. And semiconductor electronics works on quantum mechanical principles, and of course, probability mathematics.

Also, you mentioned evidence. Exopolitics works on lack of evidence, and is therefore not a science, social or otherwise.

Wrong. Social sciences work with probability and other methods, mathematics and probabilities are some of them.
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Again, the scientific evidence shows there was nothing extraterrestrial that crashed at Roswell.
Wrong! There is social sciences scientific evidence on extraterrestrial craft crashing at Roswell. The evidence has to be indirect, since the hard evidence was taken away by governmental agencies and authorities:

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60th Anniversary of the Roswell Crash: Exopolitical Signficance of the Walter Haut Affidavit
Sixty years ago, on the evening of July 2, 1947, a farmer by the name of Mac Brazel and others heard a loud explosion nearby his farm approximately 75 miles NW of Roswell, in Lincoln County, New Mexico. On the morning of July 3, he investigated and found the wreckage of what appeared to be a flying saucer. He reported the find to the Sheriff's office who then notified the nearby Roswell Army Air Field (AAF) base that sent two military intelligence officers to investigate. The result of the military's investigation led to the famous press release on July 8 that a flying saucer had crashed. This generated instant media interest around the world. As the media interest began to build, another press release was quickly issued, this time by more senior military authorities, claiming the initial release was mistaken. It was only a weather balloon and not a flying saucer. Interest in the Roswell story then waned and it wasn't heard of again for another thirty years.

In 1978 one of the officers that conducted the initial military investigation, Major Jesse Marcel, contacted Stanton Friedman, a veteran UFO researcher, and told him the truth about events at Roswell. The subsequent publication of The Roswell Incident by Charles Berlitz and William Moore in 1980 which revealed the testimony of Marcel and others, brought the Roswell story back into public attention. The Roswell Crash has ever since been on the center stage of public interest generating further investigations, books and media interest. One month ago, another book was published which contained a notarized affidavit by another key military official involved in events at Roswell. The affidavit by Lieutenant Walter Haut containing his version of events at Roswell is in the final chapter of Witness to Roswell (2007) by Tom Carey and Donald Schmitt (also online at: http://roswellproof.homestead.com/haut.html#anchor_8 ).

Haut's testimony promises to once again make the Roswell Crash a cause for great media attention.
Walter Haut was the Public Information Officer at Roswell AAF and was the individual that circulated the famous press release on July 8, 1947 claiming a flying saucer crash. Haut's affidavit was written in December 2002 and authorized for release after his death. He died in December of 2005 and the affidavit was then published in Carey's and Schmitt's book, Witness to Roswell. A comprehensive book review by Dr David Rudiak appears online at: http://tinyurl.com/2ll4ec.

The affidavit has some startling information for those interested in the political implications of extraterrestrial life or what has come to be known as the field of Exopolitics. The most important is that a staff meeting occurred on the morning of July 8 where Roswell AAF officers discussed how to deal with growing public and press interest in the wreckage found at TWO crash sites. Haut stated: "The main topic of discussion ... was an extensive debris field in Lincoln County approx. 75 miles NW of Roswell" (Affidavit #8). This was Mac Brazel's farm and was the subject of earlier investigation by Major Marcel, the Roswell base's chief intelligence officer, who gave his report at the meeting. The second site was 40 miles north of Roswell and was not generally known to researchers of the Roswell crash. The base commander, Col. William Blanchard, gave a brief report on wreckage found at the second site.

The most surprising fact about the staff meeting was that General Roger Ramey, whose headquarters was Carswell AAF Fort Worth, Texas, was also present. Haut reveals that Ramey devised a strategy for throwing the public and press off track about the two crash sites. According to Haut, "General Ramey proposed a plan, which I believed originated from his bosses at the Pentagon. Attention needed to be diverted from the more important site north of town by acknowledging the other location [Mac Brazel's ranch]. Too many civilians were already involved and the press already was informed" (#9). Ramey approved a press release pointing to the more remote and less important site near Mac Brazel's ranch, and later retracting this announcement with the weather balloon story that appeared in the news the later on July 8 and the morning of July 9. This strategy succeeded in taking the flying saucer story off the news headlines, and confusing members of the public and press that had witnessed or were investigating events.

General Ramey's role in the cover up is significant. It was Ramey that ordered Major Jesse Marcel, whose report that a flying saucer had crashed at the more remote location in the July 8 press release, to fly to Fort Worth to appear at a press conference. Marcel was ordered to be photographed crouching quietly over what appeared to be material from a weather balloon. This was used to buttress Ramey's claim that the Roswell wreckage was from a weather balloon. Marcel was forced to keep silent and about the affair for over 30 years. In 1978 he approached Stanton Friedman over what he had really seen at the Roswell crash site, thus reviving interest in the Roswell story. Jesse Marcel's son, recently authored his own book about what he had had been shown by his father who brought some of the Roswell wreckage home. Marcel's book is to be released at next week's 60th anniversary of the Roswell crash: http://www.marceljr.com/roswell60th.htm

Haut's affidavit indicates that Ramey was operating under orders by the Pentagon which had been briefed about the two crash sites. It is clear that the staff meeting was focused on controlling press and public interest in the crash sites. It is significant that no discussion occurred for supervising security at the sites or for retrieval of the crashed material. This is surprising since it would have been expected that given its proximity and resources, Roswell AAF would play a prominent role. This suggests that security and retrieval operations at the crash sites were being surprised at a higher level than the general staff at Roswell AAF. Clearly, the Pentagon had deployed its own specialist teams for controlling security and retrieval operations. Roswell AAF would supply manpower, resources, and throw the public off the trail by contradictory press releases, but little in the way of leadership.

Haut also says that he was taken to one of the Roswell hangars by the base commander, Col Blanchard later on July 8 where he saw part of the wreckage that "was approximately 12 to 15 feet in length, not quite as wide, about 6 feet high, and more of an egg shape" (12). Haut also saw under canvas tarpaulin, with the heads sticking out, two bodies of the victims who appeared to be the size of a 10 year old child. He said that at "a later date in Blanchard's office, he would extend his arm about 4 feet above the floor to indicate the height" (13).

Haut's affidavit helps confirm the historical timeline concerning events at the 1947 Roswell crash, and the subsequent cover-up of extraterrestrial life. So we are in a better position to understand the public policies implemented by national security leaders to manage extraterrestrial affairs. What follows are some of the key exopolitical implications of Haut's affidavit.

First, the affidavit helps corroborate a number of leaked Majestic Documents concerning Roswell and its aftermath. These documents first began to be leaked to the public in 1984 and there has been continuing controversy over their authenticity ever since. A number of the documents relate to events surrounding the Roswell Crash. One is an Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit (IPU) Field Order on July 4 directing a small team to investigate the crash site: http://209.132.68.98/pdf/ipu_fieldorder.pdf ). This date is consistent with the dates concerning the reports of a crash on the evening of July 2 and discovery of debris by Mac Brazel on July 3, 75 miles NW of Roswell. Marcel arrived on July 6/7 and retrieved some of the material and took it first home where he showed his family, and then to the Roswell base. It is unlikely he would have been allowed to do so if the IPU was at the Mac Brazel ranch. Consequently, the IPU most likely investigated the more significant crash site only 40 miles north of Roswell which had the larger portion of the crash wreckage and the EBE (extraterrestrial biological entities) witnessed by Haut at the Roswell hangar. This was the subject of an IPU Report on July 22, which referred to: "the extraordinary recovery of fallen airborne objects in the State of New Mexico between 4 July and 6 July 1947." It also refers to several bodies being taken to hospital at Roswell AAF. These were very likely the same bodies that Haut witnessed at the Roswell Hangar on July 8.


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You have no idea of what social sciences mean.
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Wrong! Widespread agreement from political actors, like William Clinton, Ronald Reagan and other less known governmental persons.

You're trolling right?
Clinton said there is a secret government for the USA, and he knows nothing about it, he also said there's classified UFO documents and that we wants to know about them.

Reagan proposed the subject of ET presence on Earth on UN talks, shortly therafter he got shot at.

One of the presidential candidates for the past elections said we wanted to know about Roswell, but was denied acces because "that is classified stuf".
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What is your unsuprted proof that the Majestic Documents are a hoax. Please provide your proof!
The documents are clearly faked; there are numerous errors in chronology and formatting. The papers have been studied by the AFOSI and independent investigators and the overwhelming majority concluded the papers are a fraud.

Provide the proof!

The majestic documents were refered by William Cooper, as navy inteligence personell. Cooper descriptions of the documents he withnessed has been proven so far.
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Provide the proof!

The majestic documents were refered by William Cooper, as navy inteligence personell. Cooper descriptions of the documents he withnessed has been proven so far.
Milton William Cooper? The same William Cooper who had conspiracy theories for the Kennedy assasination, E.T.s, secret moon bases, and the NWO? The same Cooper who later retracted his E.T. claims only to claim UFO hoaxes were perpretated by the Illumanati? A tax protester and tax evader who died when he was shot by police after he initiated a gunfight and wounded an officer?

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The same Bill Cooper whose Kennedy assasination theories have been proved right not only by video footage of the scene but by L. B. Johnson himself and his lover too.

The E.T. presence is a social sciences and phisical sciences proof too., and the NWO advocated by Gordon Brown, Angela Merkel, Obama, Bush, Sarcozi and many others.

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The same Cooper who later retracted his E.T. claims only to claim UFO hoaxes were perpretated by the Illumanati? A tax protester and tax evader who died when he was shot by police after he initiated a gunfight and wounded an officer?
Wrong. Cooper said he saw the documents refered by him on E.T.s and secret government of earth while he was intel officer for the navy, but that he believed that it "might be a plot by the illuminaty" to subjugate mankind. In other words, he acertain he saw the documents but he expresed the hypothesis that the illuminaty might be faking the ETs.

You need to go back to schoold and understand the proces of social sciences evidence.
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Sallas claim can be substantiated with evidence. Can you substantiate with evidence your claim, if your claim is not substantiated with evidence, then your claim is no more than a conspiracy theory.


What evidence does Salla have? Nothing. He's arguing that the complete absence of any evidence to support UFOs is evidence of a coverup, a coverup that he offers zero evidence to support. Like most conspiracy theories Salla's rantings are unfalsifiable and completely unsupported.

Salla's evidence is social sciences evidence and it's plenty. You need to go back to school and learn well what the social sciences process is.
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William Cooper expose on ET's is confirmed by scientology inteligence and scientology processes:

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I have here a tape - a video made by three gentlemen, and one of them is called William Cooper. He is an ex-intelligence officer for the United states Navy, and his job was to brief high level officials over what was the American relationship with aliens, with people from outer space. It was all above top secret, you understand. And he has recently, last year I believe, decided that what he had been - well he's retired now from the Navy. He decided that all of this secrecy was not in the best interests of his country. Remember this I told you about earlier, before the meeting began, about these military people who decided that the secrecy that they were being made to agree to was not in the best interest of their country. Now he's like one of those. He started talking about these things to inform not only his friends but his congressmen and the people in the government. The thanks he got for that, he was tried to be assassinated twice. He lost one of his legs in one of the attempts and he's had a severe wound in the head. But he's still going. OK, sounds familiar? Yeah, OK.

Another one is a man named John Lear, and he is the son of the man who invented the Lear Jet, you know the private jets. All right, so he's no flake He's a millionaire himself, and he's the guy in the picture with the blond, white hair, the white haired guy. Very nice "Anzug" (suit). And the other is a man named Bill Hamilton, who'll you see first. And we have somebody here who actually knows him personally and would like to just tell you about him for about a minute. It's Diane Marple from the US.
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