Aliens and Religions: My Beliefs (ritual, testimonies, Creator, Earth)

[yuvgotmel]

But it is not to us, the inhabitants of this globe, only, that the benefits arising from a plurality of worlds are limited. The inhabitants of each of the worlds of which our system is composed, enjoy the same opportunities of knowledge as we do. They behold the revolutionary motions of our earth, as we behold theirs. All the planets revolve in sight of each other; and, therefore, the same universal school of science presents itself to all.

Neither does the knowledge stop here. The system of worlds next to us exhibits, in its revolutions, the same principles and school of science, to the inhabitants of their system, as our system does to us, and in like manner throughout the immensity of space.

Chapter XV – Advantages of the Existence of Many Worlds in each Solar System from Thomas Paine’s “The Age of Reason”

This thread is created for the purposes of clarification of some personal beliefs and ideas. Some of you may be puzzled why I have written posts and created threads concerning “aliens.” Some of you may even be wondering “What-in-the-world-does-Mel-really-believe?” My dad, for a time, kept asking me if I was a “Scientologist.” Another person said that my ideas sound like a “science cult.” And so on. So, I’ll answer those questions and any more that you might have in a candid manner.


Personal Definition of Alien/Non-Terrestrial:

• Any being that clearly is not human or a known species of animals, insects and so forth to Earth’s inhabitants. (Such an entity can be either physically visible to the light spectrum observable to human eyes and/or a conscious awareness of such an entity in the astral planes.)
• Any being or consciousness that is foreign to Earth, even if its apparent physical form appears to be terrestrial. (Such an entity can be either physically visible to the light spectrum observable to human eyes and/or a conscious awareness of such an entity in the astral planes.)
• Any particle, bacteria, virus, solar ray and so on that did not originate on Earth.
• Any thought (consciousness) that appears to be outside of the collective understanding of humanity or a part of humanity’s global consciousness(i.e. an alien idea).

Examples of aliens in the Bible, Judeo-Christian beliefs, and other religious references:

• Angels
• Demons
• Cherubim (and/or Merkabah)
• Sphinx
• Jinn
• And any god or goddess that was said to originate in the heavens, who is described as having a physical form

“List ye now to the unveiling of Mystery.

List to the symbols of Mystery I give.

Make of it a religion.

For only thus will its essence remain.”

~Wisdom of Thoth from the Supplementary Emerald Tablet XIV~

Personal beliefs concerning aliens:

• I believe that there are “alien” life forms.
• I believe that “aliens” may have been involved with the creation, evolution and soul ascension process of mankind.
• I believe that “aliens” may have been and continue to be responsible for teaching mankind such things as, but not limited to: writing, farming, clothing, metallurgy, knowledge of the movements of heavens (to include calendar systems), herbal use (for medicines), mathematics, religion and much more.
• I believe that “aliens” have been spoken of throughout the history of mankind in many writings, including religious texts.
• I believe that “aliens” can and do perform their duties to mankind in both the seen and unseen light spectrums (visible to the human eyes).
• I believe there are many species of “aliens.”

Things that I do NOT believe:

• I do not believe that “aliens” are to be worshipped.
• I do not believe that “aliens” are the equivalent of an all-sustaining energy.
• I do not believe that “aliens” are necessarily either good or evil.
• I do not believe that “God” is an alien or any other created being. Nor do I believe that “God” has any form.
• I do not believe that the belief in the existence of aliens constitutes a religion of such.

I've talked with people of stature-of military and government credentials and position-and heard their stories, and their desire to tell their stories openly to the public. And that got my attention very, very rapidly.... The first hand experiences of these credible witnesses that, now in advanced years are anxious to tell their story, we can't deny that, and the evidence points to the fact that Roswell was a real incident, and that indeed an alien craft did crash, and that material was recovered from that crash site.-

Dr. Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 astronaut—from a taped interview

[robtex]

Mel, in reference to the OP,

1) Is there a group of people who hold a belief similar to yours?

2) when you list what you believe, is this a revelation, in the sense that prophets have revelations or more an evidencable propostion that certain people have privy too by choice of the aliens?

3) based on the idea of aliens teaching mankind, are you postulating, that if, these aliens didn't have this communication with mankind, that mankind would not have survived as a species

4) lastly, are you familiar with the biological term genetic drift? If so, than you realize that the propostion of genetic drift is that the drift is random. By propositon of an alien race guiding evolution wouldn't genetic drift be incorrect?

5) what is your postulation on this alien groups intrest (as opposed to apathy) in creating life on earth in the first place?

[yuvgotmel]

Originally Posted by robtex

Mel, in reference to the OP,

1) Is there a group of people who hold a belief similar to yours?

2) when you list what you believe, is this a revelation, in the sense that prophets have revelations or more an evidencable propostion that certain people have privy too by choice of the aliens?

3) based on the idea of aliens teaching mankind, are you postulating, that if, these aliens didn't have this communication with mankind, that mankind would not have survived as a species

4) lastly, are you familiar with the biological term genetic drift? If so, than you realize that the propostion of genetic drift is that the drift is random. By propositon of an alien race guiding evolution wouldn't genetic drift be incorrect?

5) what is your postulation on this alien groups intrest (as opposed to apathy) in creating life on earth in the first place?

Wow... awesome questions. Let me take a bit and get back to you. Give me about a hour.

[robtex]

Originally Posted by yuvgotmel

Wow... awesome questions. Let me take a bit and get back to you. Give me about a hour.

time doesn't exit on a forum in the same way it does in real life. take all the time you need. this thread isnt' gonna go anywhere.

[yuvgotmel]

1) Is there a group of people who hold a belief similar to yours?
Yes, many groups.

A lot of those people get categorized as “New Age” or Metaphysical. And as you may know, the New Age movement is very diverse incorporating everything from paganism to Sci-fi. The movement is so broad-banded that it is difficult to say what the standards are, if any.

And there is also what people refer to as UFOlogists, who specifically research and believe in UFOs and extraterrestrials. Many of those people claim to be very spiritual too, while also having more “scientific” leanings for drawing conclusions (of our history, religions and so forth).

I do not know of anyone personally in the UFOlogy or New Age communities that “worships aliens.” That is not to say there aren’t people like that; I just do not know of any.

For me, like many others, “aliens” are an explanation—both in our modern “time” and in ancient history—to answer, for us, what seems to be a logical conclusion to religious writings and the origins of man, rather than believe that our creation, and evolution was simply accidental or without help along the way. Further, the belief—that it was “aliens” who may have intervened at times throughout our history—is, for us, a logical and tangible explanation for various “miracles,” visions, and other incredible leaps in evolution (including a recent jump in technology) and architectural feats as described in religious and historical texts and are also visible in ancient structures. In fact, one might say we are skeptics with an open-mind looking for answers that can observably explain what seems too radical to believe otherwise.

Of all the links that I could provide, I prefer this particular online group, which has quite a few people that are very interested in and gather information concerning the Babylonian Anunnaki:

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group...guid=186933292


2) when you list what you believe, is this a revelation, in the sense that prophets have revelations or more an evidencable propostion that certain people have privy too by choice of the aliens?

Interesting question. I had to read it several times to get your meaning.

Well, in a sense, many of the “prophets,” especially from the “Old Testament” were sent to prophetic-mystical schools to be TAUGHT how to meditate, communicate with other intelligences, the use of herbs (for aiding in visions), esoteric symbols, geometry, reading and writing and so on. There are people, even now, like myself, who could say that the “revelations” that could be revealed in visions and/or dreams are the equivalent of contact with “aliens.” I will say that all of this has been, for a long time in our history, relegated to the realm of the “occult.” And there is a deep connection between what are considered “aliens” (angels, demons, and so on) and what is termed “occult practices.”

As far as being “chosen” in some manner, I believe that a student of metaphysics and the occult can reach out themselves into these realms. However, that is not to say it always works that way. In fact, I can show you testimonies and refer you to books with accounts of persons who, in all walks of life and levels of spirituality, have been contacted directly by such entities—face to face.


3) based on the idea of aliens teaching mankind, are you postulating, that if, these aliens didn't have this communication with mankind, that mankind would not have survived as a species

It is possible, even conceivable, thus the reason you asked the question. I do not know the answer to that though. There are accounts from persons—who served in high-level positions of the government and military and are willing to testify before Congress as to what they have witnessed—that claim extra-terrestrial forces have intervened on multiple occasions to disable nuclear weapons. So the answer to your question, might be “Yes, indeedy.”


4) lastly, are you familiar with the biological term genetic drift? If so, than you realize that the propostion of genetic drift is that the drift is random. By propositon of an alien race guiding evolution wouldn't genetic drift be incorrect?


Running to Google.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_drift
In population genetics, genetic drift is the statistical effect that results from the influence that it confers to become more common or more rare over successive generations. Ultimately, the drift may either remove the allele from the gene pool or remove all other alleles. Whereas natural selection is the tendency of beneficial alleles to become more common over time (and detrimental ones less common), genetic drift is the fundamental tendency of any allele to vary randomly in frequency over time due to statistical variation alone, so long as it does not comprise all or none of the distribution.

To answer your question: No, I do not think that the genetic drift would necessarily be “incorrect”; yet, I do believe, as many others do, that extra-terrestrials have been involved in manipulation of the genetics of mankind. And I do believe that the genetics may have been altered in various groups at seemingly random times and locations. That would not necessarily discount “genetic drift,” and at the same time it might also explain why the scientists have noticed what they term as a “genetic drift.” I do not know for sure. It could be that “genetic drift” is simply something that does happen—or it could be that what they are calling “genetic drift” is something that was intentionally done.


5) what is your postulation on this alien groups intrest (as opposed to apathy) in creating life on earth in the first place?

First of all, there are many species of aliens: as have been claimed from current eye-witness accounts in the government and military, to the people who have experienced direct contact with such beings at random, to the persons who have seen such entities on the astral planes, all the way going back in history to the varied accounts and descriptions of angels throughout the Bible and other religious texts, cave drawings, art, architecture and so on.

The various groups of aliens, to the best of my knowledge, have as vastly different interests or non-interest in humanity as humanity is itself. That is to say, they are also created beings, sentient and conscious, and capable of a range of emotions, intents, and so forth. There is also a good possibility, if they are as diverse as humans, than the range of interests and intents in the alien groups, may be diverse even within their own species. Therefore, I am unable to say which is what or who is who.

However, as far as creating life on this planet is concerned, they may have been just as curious to see what happens as say the current Japanese scientists who have recently released information to the media that they are ready and prepared to create a new universe. Therefore, eons from now, the creatures that appear in that universe, if there be any, might look up to their skies and wonder who created them. And the answer might just be that it was a geek with glasses and a lab coat.



Additional Note: At no such time, should that detract from our inherent divinity and spirituality. Therefore, any “god” or “goddess” that is said to have form, I consider to be an alien. I can respect my creator(s) of a particular human form, but I do not have to worship them. And too, for me, it fits perfectly into the idea that our bodies are merely temporary and our essence is consciousness.

[yuvgotmel]

Originally Posted by yuvgotmel

3) based on the idea of aliens teaching mankind, are you postulating, that if, these aliens didn't have this communication with mankind, that mankind would not have survived as a species

It is possible, even conceivable, thus the reason you asked the question. I do not know the answer to that though. There are accounts from persons—who served in high-level positions of the government and military and are willing to testify before Congress as to what they have witnessed—that claim extra-terrestrial forces have intervened on multiple occasions to disable nuclear weapons. So the answer to your question, might be “Yes, indeedy.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTT9qRTJ0f0&NR

UFO shoots down missle