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Old 08-21-2006, 11:47 PM
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Why is being Agnostic so hard for some followers of organized religion to understand?
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Old 08-21-2006, 11:51 PM
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It's always difficult to truly wrap your mind around the fact that things that can be as fundamental to who you are, as fundamental as breathing, as fundamental as blinking - others simply don't believe, don't do.
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Old 08-22-2006, 12:00 AM
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It's always difficult to truly wrap your mind around the fact that things that can be as fundamental to who you are, as fundamental as breathing, as fundamental as blinking - others simply don't believe, don't do.
Which do you have a harder time understanding, Djamila: The agnostic who thinks the question of deity is undecidable, but important, or the agnostic who thinks the question of deity is undecidable and of little or no importance?
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Old 08-22-2006, 12:38 AM
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Why is being Agnostic so hard for followers of organized religion to understand?
I've never been able to figure this out. I was an atheist for years, and I was always surprised by the sheer dumbfoundedness I got from some people.

btw, please add a "some" in there if you will. Some of us followers of organized religions have no trouble with it an all.

I'm still agnostic, not in the sense of "undecided" but in the sense of "the existence of god(s) cannot be proved."
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Old 08-22-2006, 01:49 AM
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Though I fail to understand Djamila's delima, what about "wanting to have more than blind faith" is hard to understand?
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Old 09-12-2006, 02:06 AM
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I'm still agnostic, not in the sense of "undecided" but in the sense of "the existence of god(s) cannot be proved."
The same here. What I can't decide is the "importance" of the existence of gods? That's what I am undecided on. So I am stuck in the middle of Sunstone about the importance, where he said:

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The agnostic who thinks the question of deity is undecidable, but important, or the agnostic who thinks the question of deity is undecidable and of little or no importance?
That's simply great. I am perched on another fence, and my backside was already hurting before this. Banging my head against the wall doesn't help my posterior. It only just gives me a splitting headache.
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Old 09-13-2006, 10:39 PM
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I think proving the existance of a higher power would be remarkable, but insignificant if we couldn't figure out what in the world it wanted of us through direct communication. Though that seems oxymoronic, I could imagine people messing things up.
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Old 09-15-2006, 02:12 AM
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I think proving the existance of a higher power would be remarkable
It would be very remarkable indeed. However, I am not going to hold my breath for it.
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Why is being Agnostic so hard for some followers of organized religion to understand?
I don't understand the value of the question.
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Why is being Agnostic so hard for some followers of organized religion to understand?
I am glad you qualified that with the word "Some"; I understand an agnostic's stance very well...........
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