Common Misconceptions (moral, creation, hell, atheist, agnostic)

[gnostic]

Theists often think that agnosticism is just a practice of ignorance or without knowledge.

But I think they are confusing something that is "unknowable" with "not knowing". The two definitions are completely different.

The agnostics just prefer to have something more concrete than just accepting something on blind faith. And in the sense, agnostics comes closer to atheism, as being almost as "faithless" as atheists.

[standing_alone]

Theists often think that agnosticism is just a practice of ignorance or without knowledge.

You mean it isn't? I'm so disappointed.

But I think they are confusing something that is "unknowable" with "not knowing". The two definitions are completely different.

I agree.

The agnostics just prefer to have something more concrete than just accepting something on blind faith. And in the sense, agnostics comes closer to atheism, as being almost as "faithless" as atheists.

I agree again.

Wow, didn't get anything real mind-blowing from me... not that that really ever happens on here anyways.

[Booko]

Originally Posted by gnostic

Theists often think that agnosticism is just a practice of ignorance or without knowledge.

But I think they are confusing something that is "unknowable" with "not knowing". The two definitions are completely different.

The agnostics just prefer to have something more concrete than just accepting something on blind faith. And in the sense, agnostics comes closer to atheism, as being almost as "faithless" as atheists.

Some theists are agnostic.

[gnostic]

Originally Posted by booko

Some theists are agnostic.

Or is it some agnostics are theists? I am not sure in which order I would put it.

Anyway, I could possibly be theist agnostic. Or an atheist agnostic. I'm not too sure. It really depends on what part of religion we are talking about.

If we are only talking about the religious teaching of moral, ethic, compassionate, wisdom/philosophy, etc, then I could be a theist agnostic. Some of these teaching are universal, and not necessarily religious in nature.

But if we are talking about Creation, miracles, angel visitations, demon possession, the existence of god, Satan, angels, heaven and hell, then I more like an atheist agnostic. I need more evidence in order to believe in such thing.

So I would guess I fall into a bit of both definitions of agnosticism. And that's fine with me, because I like such paradox.

[ikitikitembo]

Originally Posted by gnostic

Theists often think that agnosticism is just a practice of ignorance or without knowledge.

But I think they are confusing something that is "unknowable" with "not knowing". The two definitions are completely different.

Actually agnosticism perceives creation as both uknowable, and unknown. The strong agnostic claims that knowledge of a God is unknowable. The weak agnostic claims the knowledge is unknown to them at the moment, but not necessarily for all time.

Originally Posted by gnostic

Anyway, I could possibly be theist agnostic. Or an atheist agnostic. I'm not too sure. It really depends on what part of religion we are talking about.

What do you mean by this? What is a theist agnostic? An atheist agnostic? How can you believe and not believe at the same time?

Very paradoxical indeed.

[lamplighter]

You're getting knowledge and belief mixed up, you can believe in something and not know if it's true. Example: You can believe there is fish in a pond, but if you don't catch any does that make you wrong? Or does it mean that you suck at fishing?

[gnostic]

I seriously believe in the last one, lamplighter.

Also, I don't like eating fish.

[Truls]

Theist Agnostics are people who believe in a deity, but are willing to admit to themselves that they could be wrong. That they're running on blind faith. Most religions don't promote this as it's a weakness of faith. If you think you could be wrong then you're not totally faithful.

Really though I would rather have no answer to some questions and search for an answer then to take a spiritual answer that could be ludicrious and fictitious. Sometimes you just don't have the answers and you have to deal with it.

[gnostic]

Welcome to RF, Truls.

I have never thought of theist agnostics in this way.

I agreed with your last paragraph, about seeking the answer yourself rather than relying on answer already there. Part of the fun is the journey, not just its destination.

[Truls]

Originally Posted by gnostic

Welcome to RF, Truls.

I have never thought of theist agnostics in this way.

I agreed with your last paragraph, about seeking the answer yourself rather than relying on answer already there. Part of the fun is the journey, not just its destination.

Thanks gnostic. I've been debating with people on the forums DSmeet and ABXY and someone over there thought I was doing a good job so he referred me here. So here I am posting about agnosticism.