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04-27-2005, 09:52 PM
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Why did you choose to be agnostic? What led you to your belief?
Also, do you consider agnosticism to be one of the 'less understood' religions? In my experience, very few people have even heard of it!
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04-28-2005, 03:15 AM
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I think an honest look at reality would show anyone that they are agnostic. Quote:
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11-11-2005, 10:15 AM
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I don't think I "chose" to be an agnostic any more than I chose to be white, or right handed, or male, etc. . . . And Agnosticism is not a religion.
I am and always have been a seeker of truth. I am educated. I am well read and inquisitive. Unfortunately for me, the more I delved into the history of religion the more I became convinced that it was all a bunch of hooey (to use my Granny's term). Nobody told me to be this way, in fact almost everyone I know condemns me for being this way. It would be much easier for me to just say I am a Christian, go to church and follow along with all the other sheep. However, I cannot do so and remain intellectually honest. Intellectual honesty is a trait I hold in very high regard. Agnosticism/Skepticism is not a beleif system. It (for me) is the requirement that something be proven to be so, prior to my buying into it. For instance, I "beleive" or "have faith" that if I drop this keyboard, it will hit the floor. If someone comes along and says that they can drop it and it will hit the ceiling instead, then I would be skeptical about their claim, unless and until they proved it to me. Most folks would call this just good common sense. Agnosticism/Skepticism is in my mind, simply the application of this good old common sense to questions of religion. Looking at religion logically, and with an eye toward the historical roots of each (can you guess what my undergrad degree was in?) I have come to the conclusion that no person of intellect when looking at the question logically could conclude based on any discernable facts, that any one religion is more likely to be the truth than another. Logically speaking then, if no one can make a rational claim to be "the one" then why should any of them be "the one"? No actual testable evidence for any of their existence based on fact or reality. Lots and lots of harm done by many of them in trying to force their beleifs on others. And beyond all that, the fact remains that religions spring up, carry on a life for a while, then die out. How can a religion, if it is a real thing, based on immortal beings and principles, spring up (meaning there was a time before the religion existed) and then at some other date die out? See a lot of folks praying to Apollo recently? How bout Zeus? Zoroaster? Ba'al? Ra? The list could go on, and on, but hopefully you get my meaning. At one time the height of the civilized world was convinced that the Pharoa was a living god, then later that the Roman Emperor was a living god, same with the Emperor of Japan. Anyone beleive any of that hooey today? The major religions of today exist, for the same reason that those ancient religions above exist. The opiate of the masses. The refuge for the weak minded, and the tool of leaders to bend popular will to their own devises. I saw all these things, and became convinced there was no more reason to beleive in Allah, Jehovah, Yah-Weh etc. than there was to beleive in Odin, Zeuss, Apollo, etc. . . . There is no way of showing that any of these god's exist, or ever did. <----- That is agnosticism. B.
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11-11-2005, 10:31 AM
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Huxley, who coined the term "agnosticism", argued: "In matters of the intellect do not pretend that conclusions are certain which are not demonstrated or demonstrable." So, Prima, the more interesting question to me is why you are not an agnostic.
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11-11-2005, 10:42 AM
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12-19-2005, 08:56 PM
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I don't think agnosticism is a religion, although I would consider atheism to be one. I have to agree that I think everyone is an agnostic in reality as you can not know everything it is ridiculous that you could concluse to know that there is or is not a god.
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12-19-2005, 09:01 PM
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"Far be it from You to do a thing such as this, to put to death the righteous with the wicked so that the righteous should be like the wicked. Far be it from You! Will the Judge of the entire earth not perform justice?" - Genesis 18:25
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12-28-2005, 05:35 AM
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this is why
I was a catholic, or rather my parents were so I was too. This was all good and fine until I found out what a load of garbage the bible was. Most of it is literally unbelieveable and the rest is just, well, strange. Do I think there maybe some higher power or highly advanced race? Yes. Do I think Jesus was the son of god? No, infact as far as I can tell he was an unusually lucky and charismatic schizophrenic. Do I think that we were created by a higher power? Maybe, perhapse he/she/it gave us a little nudg in the right evolutionary direction. Less like children and more like an ant farm more likely...
Oh and WhtGuy... Bravo... I am in awe... Can I worship you? 
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I HAVE RETURNED!!! BWAHAHAHA! Last edited by The Grey Wolf; 12-28-2005 at 05:46 AM.
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01-15-2006, 05:55 AM
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Religion implies belief, faith and worshipping some divine beings, for spiritual purpose, such as seeking a place in the afterlife. There are no scripture in agnosticism, or theism, dogma. Although, Huxley was the one who coined the term, and many authors wrote about agnosticism after him, I haven't read any of their work. It is not necessary to read their work to be atheism. We don't them to be prophets. Some Huxley's contemporary atheists scoff off agnosticism as nothing more than atheism, and people do confuse agnosticism with atheism. Sometimes, agnostics lean more towards atheism, while others lean in the opposite direction, towards theisms. I can actually lean in either way. If we use the Creation in the Book of Genesis, for example, I would lean more towards the scientific research of the Big Bang and the evolution than the Biblical. On the other hand, some of Jesus' teaching on morals and compassion, I understand this and see that of having great potential to further human endeavor in fellowship; however, I am dubious about the resurrection and afterlife. That's what I mean by leaning either way of belief or disbelief. Someone had asked me why I don't just join Christianity, as insurance. Like MdmSzdWhtGuy wrote, I would either become a Christian, fully accepting everything, or I don't become one at all. That also goes for all religion. If you become a Christian or Muslim, only just for fear of not having a place in the afterlife but you really don't believe, then you've become a hypocrite. I either wholly accepts a religion or I don't. I'd like to be able question any belief or faith; and what I have found are that neither theisms nor atheism can be conclusive prove or disprove of the existence of the divine beings. Last edited by gnostic; 01-15-2006 at 06:00 AM.
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01-15-2006, 07:36 AM
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