The Real Historic Abraham (Moses, Torah, tradition, followers, creation)

[herushura]

I Think Abraham is the Egytpian Pharoah Amenhotep IV, Accordinally Abraham Created the first Monotheism Religion. thus devolped into Judaism + Muslim Now when i looked at the story of Amenhotep IV, He abolished All the Egyptian Polytheist Gods. Afterwards he Created Monothesim religion based on the worship of the Sun. Amenhotep IV later changed his name to Akhenaten aka Abraham. Abraham said to have killed his son Isaac, now Amenhotep IV also had a Son who died very young, i guess Isaac or Tutankhamen did not approve of this monotheism religion because of this, Abraham or Akhenaten killed Him. Around the date of Akhenaten, Egypt Established the Tribe called Israel. Israel litterly means The Tribe of the Sun god, becasue IS=Throne/tribe - Ra-Sun and El means Gods. Thus the reason why Israel never adopted the polytheism egyptian gods but brought with them newly created Monotheism religion created by Akhenaten or Abraham.

[kai]

i heard it a different way that he was in fact Moses and led his followers and his "one God" out from Egypt

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by herushura

I Think Abraham is the Egytpian Pharoah Amenhotep IV ...

So what? You offer no reason for this flight of fancy, and the fact that it comes from you is hardly sufficient to instill confidence.

[herushura]

Originally Posted by kai

i heard it a different way that he was in fact Moses and led his followers and his "one God" out from Egypt

I think Moses was Thutmose II.

Only thing Moses is not on the Adam Geneology in the Bible

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by herushura

I think Moses was Thutmose II.

Again, so what?

[herushura]

Originally Posted by Jayhawker Soule

Again, so what?

Because the bible as distorted Egyptian Facts, well if the torah told the truth it would not be as popular

[Jayhawker Soule]

Originally Posted by herushura

Because the bible as distorted Egyptian Facts, well if the torah told the truth it would not be as popular

That was a stupid and incoherent statement. Can you offer anything to support your nonsense?

[Caladan]

Although it seems one of the characters we are talking about is based in fiction (Abraham).
I have heard the theories of Akhenaten being Moses (which theoretically makes more sense because of the time line and geographical background), but never that he was Abraham, probably because the time lines, geography and other factors do not correlate.
other than a few arbitrary similarities: mainly monotheism, there isn't a lot of similarity between the two.
Abraham was born in Akkad, according to Judeo-Christian tradition a few centuries before Akhenaten, who was an 18th dynasty pharaoh who lived during the 14th century.

also the name Israel is based in the Hebrew language, and is derived from the Biblical story of Jacob wrestling with the angel, which earned him the name Israel, literally meaning: "one who has struggled with God".

[herushura]

Originally Posted by Caladan

Although it seems one of the characters we are talking about is based in fiction (Abraham).
I have heard the theories of Akhenaten being Moses (which theoretically makes more sense because of the time line and geographical background), but never that he was Abraham, probably because the time lines, geography and other factors do not correlate.
other than a few arbitrary similarities: mainly monotheism, there isn't a lot of similarity between the two.
Abraham was born in Akkad, according to Judeo-Christian tradition a few centuries before Akhenaten, who was an 18th dynasty pharaoh who lived during the 14th century.

also the name Israel is based in the Hebrew language, and is derived from the Biblical story of Jacob wrestling with the angel, which earned him the name Israel, literally meaning: "one who has struggled with God".

Israel was Conquered by Sumerians/babylon and Egyptian, Egypt brought Monothesism and Sumerian brought them Genesis or Enuma Elish and a flood story, They obviosly changes the polytheism Enuma Elish and created it as a Monotheism account. Should note that Flood+creation story is written in stone tablets found in iraq, people have mistaken this for the torah at first.

[Jayhawker Soule]

[quote=herushura;1273828 Should note that Flood+creation story is written in stone tablets found in iraq, people have mistaken this for the torah at first.[/QUOTE]Name one. You persist in spooning out drivel without a hint of substantiation ...