God loves us all

[Storm]

Originally Posted by Yid613

For non-Jews there is a bit of wiggle room. If the other gods are just asistance of G-d this is considered incorrect but not in violation of this law.


Being a jerk as related to G-d .

Taking the L-ds name in vain.


Being a jerk in bed .

Incest and homosexuality (I know many people don’t like this one but don’t jump on me about it. I did not come up with it, G-d did not even ask me my opinion on it. Complain directly to the Author ).

Seems to me that saying those laws apply to all mankind is a bit pretentious, then. We're still required to honor your God above all others. If you're going to do that, why not just convert?

Will respect your wishes and not bring up the issues with homosexuality, which are hopefully obvious.

[Yid613]

Originally Posted by Storm

Seems to me that saying those laws apply to all mankind is a bit pretentious,

Well most religions are a bit preachy

Those that obey these laws we see as righteous. Those who don’t we see as less righteous, it’s not an all or nothing thing.

Originally Posted by Storm

We're still required to honor your God above all others.

Acknowledge maybe, honor implies a positive act, worship, prayer, or the like. This is not the case.

But there is problem with idol worship, the worship of manmade gods. As BalanceFx said our G-d is an atheists. He does not believe in manmade G-ds and like the other atheist here does not think you should either .

Originally Posted by Storm

If you're going to do that, why not just convert?

A Jew or a convert is held to a higher standard. There are 613 commandments (the 613 Thou shalls and Thou shall nots thought out the Bible) that must be keep and to a much higher degree.

But he/she . . .

A PC side note, when we talk about G-d as he relates to the physical world we use the masculine. When we talk about Him in a spiritual or mystical sense we use the feminine. This is also done when talking about man (humans). The body is referred to in the masculine but the soul is referred to in the feminine.

[Storm]

Originally Posted by Yid613

Well most religions are a bit preachy

LOL! Granted.

Those that obey these laws we see as righteous. Those who don’t we see as less righteous, it’s not an all or nothing thing.

Fair enough.

Acknowledge maybe, honor implies a positive act, worship, prayer, or the like. This is not the case.

Restrictions like not taking His name in vain don't strike you as worshipful? They do me.

But there is problem with idol worship, the worship of manmade gods. As BalanceFx said our G-d is an atheists. He does not believe in manmade G-ds and like the other atheist here does not think you should either .

I don't believe any Gods are manmade in the sense you mean it. Most of them - yours included - are attempts to understand the same ineffable reality. Thus, I try to respect them all.

A Jew or a convert is held to a higher standard. There are 613 commandments (the 613 Thou shalls and Thou shall nots thought out the Bible) that must be keep and to a much higher degree.

Yeah, I know. It just seems to me that if you're going to acknowledge the Noahide Laws as authoritative, conversion is the logical conclusion. JMO.

A PC side note, when we talk about G-d as he relates to the physical world we use the masculine. When we talk about Him in a spiritual or mystical sense we use the feminine. This is also done when talking about man (humans). The body is referred to in the masculine but the soul is referred to in the feminine.

That wasn't me you quoted in that last part.

[Yid613]

Originally Posted by Storm

Restrictions like not taking His name in vain don't strike you as worshipful? They do me.

Originally Posted by Charity

Blaspheme------to speak evil of God, to be irreverent

Is acknowledging Him as Holy, or respecting Him, worship?
We acknowledge that a satan is an Angle of G-d as such is offer a degree of respect. But we don’t not worship him (despite what the anti-Semites say )

Originally Posted by Storm

I don't believe any Gods are manmade in the sense you mean it. Most of them - yours included - are attempts to understand the same ineffable reality. Thus, I try to respect them all.

And you shall know this day and consider it in your heart, that the Lord He is God in heaven above, and upon the earth below; there is none else. - Devarim (Deuteronomy) 4:39

It’s that ineffable reality that we see as G-d. We see the others as at best just intermediaries.

We respect all people as we are all children of G-d created in His image. We respect the fact that they may have different beliefs that they feel strongly about. But it would be hypocritical for us to respect a belief that is not compatible with our own. We respect all people but not necessarily all their ideas.

Originally Posted by Storm

Yeah, I know. It just seems to me that if you're going to acknowledge the Noahide Laws as authoritative, conversion is the logical conclusion. JMO.

There is a difference between having a friend you see once in a while and being married with three children . Some people are not willing or able to handle that kind of commitment. Following all 613 commandments is very hard especially today in what is effectively an xtain world.

Originally Posted by Storm

That wasn't me you quoted in that last part.

No, was BalanceFx



I found a good quote about not being a jerk .
"That which is hateful to you, do not do to you fellow; this is the entire Torah. The rest is but an elaboration." - Hillel, Shabbos 31a

[BalanceFx]

Originally Posted by Yid613

A PC side note, when we talk about G-d as he relates to the physical world we use the masculine. When we talk about Him in a spiritual or mystical sense we use the feminine. This is also done when talking about man (humans). The body is referred to in the masculine but the soul is referred to in the feminine.

In Dungeons and Dragons we alternate the sex by paragraph. Most gods people believe in now don't have a sex but the majority will answer god is a he. I dunno why.

I do not believe in god. I do not believe he/she/it loves anyone. However if other people do believe in such then so be it.

When I speak of god its as fiction... sometimes is Aphrodite... because dude, shes hot... And when I speak of her I say her... cause its a girl... But Odin is a dude... so I say him.... Etc etc... (I have favorite fictional gods... Thor for instance rocks... And loki was evil but still a god.... jesus is a cool story with the yahweh dude... I like Ra... but... my most favorite gods are regarded as fictional... Cyric, Mystra, Mask etc etc... They are made up... everyone knows their made up.... so its easy to talk about them without offending or misinterpretting. When I talk about real gods... and by that I mean gods people believe to be real... it usually becomes a debate. Even though there is no more evidence for Jesus and Horus then there is for Ao and Torm.

If you could clarify something though.. when you say WE TALK... who is we? Is this some universal sex reference system for god that I have missed? Is it people of your religion or everyone in general?

[Alpha]

Topic title, prob my most hated sentance lol. So many a time has it been an argument comback...sigh lol

(ps ive highjacked my brothers account its actually Alex_G posting :P)

[Yid613]

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

Most gods people believe in now don't have a sex but the majority will answer god is a he. I dunno why.

It’s a matter of grammar. While English does have a third person, singular, gender neutral, pronoun ("it") this is only used to refer to inanimate objects. When referring to something alive of which the gender is not known the male pronoun ("he") is used as is done in many languages. English is more gender neutral then most other languages.

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

I do not believe he/she/it loves anyone.

Neither do I . . . However the only way we can relate to His actions in this world is by describe them in human terms. If He does something we see as good, He is being kind. If He does something we see as bad, He is angry.

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

When I speak of god its as fiction... sometimes is Aphrodite... because dude, shes hot...

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

If you could clarify something though.. when you say WE TALK... who is we? . . . Is it people of your religion or everyone in general?

Judaism particularly the more mystical parts of it, but I’ve also seem similar usage elsewhere.

Originally Posted by BalanceFx

Is this some universal sex reference system for god that I have missed?

Yeh, its in the Bible that how you missed it.

And God created man in His image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. - Bereishit (Genesis) 1:27

And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon man, and he slept, and He took one of his sides, and He closed the flesh in its place. And the Lord God built the side that He had taken from man into a woman, and He brought her to man. - Bereishit (Genesis) 2:21-22

Man (Adam - mankind, a man, the first man) was androgens he was then spilt into male (ish - man) and female (ishah - woman). This split was not only physical but also spiritual. The woman got more of the spiritual attributes while the man got more of the physical attributes. As man is in G-ds image when we refer to G-d in a spiritual sense we use She and when we refer to Him in this world, in a physical sense, we use the He.

[BalanceFx]

Originally Posted by Yid613

And God created man in His image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. - Bereishit (Genesis) 1:27

And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon man, and he slept, and He took one of his sides, and He closed the flesh in its place. And the Lord God built the side that He had taken from man into a woman, and He brought her to man. - Bereishit (Genesis) 2:21-22

Man (Adam - mankind, a man, the first man) was androgens he was then spilt into male (ish - man) and female (ishah - woman). This split was not only physical but also spiritual. The woman got more of the spiritual attributes while the man got more of the physical attributes. As man is in G-ds image when we refer to G-d in a spiritual sense we use She and when we refer to Him in this world, in a physical sense, we use the He.

I thought we were to interpret genesis allegorically now? I believe we evolved so if god created anything it definitely wasnt humans... I mean physically we got some serious problems if this is his idea of a perfect design. (The fun house is like right next to the other house... thats not so fun)

I have never heard adam refered to as sexless before... interesting idea.

This is btw... the christ story... there are many other god stories... this one is popular right now though. (And thats an understatement) Here is venom on Science and Religion: YouTube - Faith and Science

What I like about Venom is he embodies the most ludicrous arguments and incorporates them into the logical fallicious arguments most theists argue. So you can learn quite a bit from him. (Just probably not what he wants us to learn)