Abrahamic Religions: The Star, the Cross, and the Crescent

[Bishadi]

So, as a belief, how Jews and Christians think of Muslims and what they believe in, and how they believe we should be treated and dealt with?

From this ‘I’ Islam is one of the greatest arena’s of human compassion next to the eastern sects. The west has nothing on Islam at its core and if more people understood that Muslim’s protected more of our current knowledge from being destroyed by the religious right of the west in the 12-16oo’s maybe more would understand just how much they should be appreciated.

It is only because of what happened in WWII that fueled one of the ‘other’ brothers of Abraham to actually consider their sect as being abused to the extent, they need the identity of a ‘home’ hence Israel was born.

We in the west saw, that hey Hitler beat them up pretty bad, and the Palestinians are like the North American Indians, old school so to modernize the region does both some good; so the US supported the landing of the cruise liners on the beaches of Palestine in the late 30’s-early 40’s…. and we armed them, help them become a state within someone else’s land because the US was told it was the compassionate thing to do.

So now, we in the US, have created a Governing body for the Jewish institution within a majority Muslim homeland. Surely modernizing the people with more corruption than ever before (one reason Osama hates the US) all the while siding with a religious movement that now believes with all their might, that the messiah will not come until the mount is rebuilt with a temple….. and this is enough to **** off mary poppins herself.

Christianity already thinks messiah has come, Much of Islam is happy with Mohammed but Israel, they are not happy and never will be; until they have identity and the mount; and with all their global power they have now in the capitalistic machine…

It will get real ugly before it gets better.

Was this observed in a big enough scale for you?

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by kai

yeah i got it, you just want to talk about the good times ,and leave out the problems , the problems stem from beliefs don't they, the three faiths have never really got on

In term of beliefs, i was trying to prove to you that from an islamic point of view, we don't have a problem with them, and some conflicts might arise for political reasons. I still fail to see how you could conclude that the problem stem from beliefs. Do you mean "religious" beliefs or personal ones?

The golden age of Al Andalus is the Islamic term for the occupation of the Iberian peninsular by "Moors" however you look at it ,any period of enlightenment was temporary.
Belief systems depend to much on who is believing and politics were inevitably intertwined in religion at that time.
i thought Islam was not just a belief but a way of life ? if so it becomes a culture so its also inevitable that it should clash with a different belief based culture.

It's true that Islam is a way of life, but we weren't having perfect caliphs all the time, so sometimes, the caliphs was doing things which might considered to be "unislamic" by the scholars of that time, not to mention the times where some caliphs jailed respectful muslim scholars for having different opinion than theirs.

i may not be the right person for this thread so i will watch and maybe learn.


peace Kai

You are always welcome to discuss with me in this thread, and i don't see why you think you are not the right person for it.

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

From this ‘I’ Islam is one of the greatest arena’s of human compassion next to the eastern sects. The west has nothing on Islam at its core and if more people understood that Muslim’s protected more of our current knowledge from being destroyed by the religious right of the west in the 12-16oo’s maybe more would understand just how much they should be appreciated.

It is only because of what happened in WWII that fueled one of the ‘other’ brothers of Abraham to actually consider their sect as being abused to the extent, they need the identity of a ‘home’ hence Israel was born.

We in the west saw, that hey Hitler beat them up pretty bad, and the Palestinians are like the North American Indians, old school so to modernize the region does both some good; so the US supported the landing of the cruise liners on the beaches of Palestine in the late 30’s-early 40’s…. and we armed them, help them become a state within someone else’s land because the US was told it was the compassionate thing to do.

So now, we in the US, have created a Governing body for the Jewish institution within a majority Muslim homeland. Surely modernizing the people with more corruption than ever before (one reason Osama hates the US) all the while siding with a religious movement that now believes with all their might, that the messiah will not come until the mount is rebuilt with a temple….. and this is enough to **** off mary poppins herself.

Christianity already thinks messiah has come, Much of Islam is happy with Mohammed but Israel, they are not happy and never will be; until they have identity and the mount; and with all their global power they have now in the capitalistic machine…

It will get real ugly before it gets better.

Was this observed in a big enough scale for you?

This was indeed observed, but as you know, poltical conflicts always end, and new nations always rise or disappear, but all which will remain is the heritage and knowledge of those who were there before us, and if there was no solid belief in the respect for others to believe in what they want, that would make it difficult for the typical followers of all these three faiths to live peacefully with each other.

[kai]

Originally Posted by TashaN

In term of beliefs, i was trying to prove to you that from an islamic point of view, we don't have a problem with them, and some conflicts might arise for political reasons. I still fail to see how you could conclude that the problem stem from beliefs. Do you mean "religious" beliefs or personal ones? from an Islamic point of view what were you doing in the Iberian Peninsular in the first place?



It's true that Islam is a way of life, but we weren't having perfect caliphs all the time, so sometimes, the caliphs was doing things which might considered to be "unislamic" by the scholars of that time, not to mention the times where some caliphs jailed respectful muslim scholars for having different opinion than theirs.

do you consider any Caliph to have been you ideal Caliph?



You are always welcome to discuss with me in this thread, and i don't see why you think you are not the right person for it.

thank you

[NoahideHiker]

I admire the Muslim's unwavering faith and dedication to G-d and only G-d. As a fellow monotheist I see much more in common with Muslims than I see differences.

[kai]

Originally Posted by NoahideHiker

I admire the Muslim's unwavering faith and dedication to G-d and only G-d. As a fellow monotheist I see much more in common with Muslims than I see differences.

interesting , but i think i will not hijack TashanS thread by asking you how? maybe some other time.

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by kai

from an Islamic point of view what were you doing in the Iberian Peninsular in the first place?

I don't get what you mean in here. Can you elaborate please?

do you consider any Caliph to have been you ideal Caliph?

After the four rightous caliphs who followed prophet Mohammed, my ideal caliph is Umar bin Abdul Aziz.

thank you

Welcome.

Originally Posted by kai

interesting , but i think i will not hijack TashanS thread by asking you how? maybe some other time.

I really don't get you, kai. I don't understand why asking him would consider as you were hijacking my thread?

[kai]

Originally Posted by TashaN

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I don't get what you mean in here. Can you elaborate please? why did they invade and occupy the Iberian peninsular?



After the four rightous caliphs who followed prophet Mohammed, my idea caliph is Umar bin Abdul Aziz.
"Rulers usually appoint people to watch over their subjects. I appoint you a watcher over me and my behaviour. If you find me at fault in word or action guide me and stop me from doing it." i can see why




I really don't get you, kai. I don't understand why asking him would consider as you were hijacking my thread?

your not supposed to get me but i didnt want to start rambling on with someone else , of course if NoahideHiker wishes to say why then alls good