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Old 09-17-2007, 01:55 PM
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I am curious as to how believers in the Abrahamic religions deal with the morality of the Old Testament.

Some examples of morality from it:

1. A raped virgin has to marry her rapist.
2. If a girl has pre-maritial sex and is discovered on her wedding night, she is to be stoned to death before her parents. No such law for men.
3. If you work on Saturday, you should be killed.
4. It is ok to kill the children of your enemy.
5. It is ok to kill the children of criminals for the crimes of the criminal.
6. Slavery is acceptable - Beating slaves is ok as long as they don't die. Rape of slaves is mild (kill an animal if woman was engaged or marriied, no punishment of she was not).
7. Witches should be killed.
8. Homosexuals should be killed.
9. Those who curse their parents should be killed.
And so on...

Do believers mostly just see these as cultural laws that only apply to the ancient Hebrews (including 10 commandments)? Or do many not see this as literally correct? Or do people see God changing with time from supporting this to oposing this?

I am just curious as to how people reconcile beliefs that are reported to come from the deity they worship, yet they probably personally disagree with them.
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Old 09-17-2007, 02:13 PM
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I do not Live by the Jewish law
As a Christian I have no need to.
I read the Old testament In a selective way and with interest.
I try to Live my life By the Values Given us By Jesus.
Even Bible alone Christians do not follow these laws.
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Old 09-18-2007, 03:05 PM
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When you read the Old Testament in a selective way, does that mean in a nonliteral way? For example, do you think God set up the morality laws of the Old Testament?
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without wasting my time going through all of these, pick the three that you have your greatest contention with, and i'll address those.
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Old 10-29-2007, 07:45 AM
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perhaps it should be noted that the halacha of judaism is far more complex than what is contained simply in the Torah.
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Old 12-12-2007, 01:23 PM
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without wasting my time going through all of these, pick the three that you have your greatest contention with, and i'll address those.
How about the Old Testament condoning slavery? How about the taking of other people's lands and slaughtering them? How about the sacrificing of one's son?

Perhaps it is that the Jewish moral system is how Jews should behave to each other but the rest of the world, which is the UN-chosen by God people, are to be treated whatever way is practical without restraint.

Most believers of Judaism are secular and follow morals similar to the rest of us, the "Un-chosen," but some 15% are rabid Orthodox who are fanatical in the brutal way they view "others"---especially their enemies in the Near East.
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I am curious as to how believers in the Abrahamic religions deal with the morality of the Old Testament.
In context.
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In context.
Sounds simple enough...
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What Terry said.

As a Christian, I don't follow the Old Testament. If I did that would make me like...Jewish? So I don't really know how most Jewish people would justify not following those commands, but Christians and Muslims will both tell you that we are under new laws, not the Old Covenant.
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