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Old 07-28-2007, 10:05 PM
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For instance what does John mean when he says "Word" in those verses. I am sure you're going to say it was Jesus, and in a limited sense that's true. But the word of God in sacred text is never simply defined. Also "Word" is the impulse to CREATE that God had with Him. That impulse was followed and the word "BE~" was spoken and all of Creation came into being.

Mankind was part of that creation and the pinnacle of that creation, but 'man' had no means of comprehending God and finding the will of God to follow. So God created the Manifestations to appear to men in different times and places and show forth the Spirit, love and mercy of God in a way that could be understood.

Jesus was one of the Divine Mirrors.

But He was not the only One.

So in this light there is no contradiction between the Qur'an and the Gospel of John's opening verses.

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Old 07-29-2007, 08:53 AM
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Ah, but who does she look to *first* for direction? Christ or Muhammad?
God.

cuz if she were to look Jesus pbuh or muhammad then why not moses pbuh?
And Muhammad jesus moses pbuht are are sevants of God like us, Humans and nothing more.
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Old 07-29-2007, 09:03 AM
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God.

cuz if she were to look Jesus pbuh or muhammad then why not moses pbuh?
Beats me. I consider them all on an equal plane anyway.

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And Muhammad jesus moses pbuht are are sevants of God like us, Humans and nothing more.
True, but each bring their set of ordinances also, and I'm not sure how you follow more than one at the same time.

An individual may manage this, but to be a religious leader is much more difficult.
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Old 07-29-2007, 09:10 AM
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True, but each bring their set of ordinances also, and I'm not sure how you follow more than one at the same time.
Everyone has their own set of ordinances. Some like to pretend they've delegated that responsibility is all.
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Old 07-29-2007, 12:31 PM
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Everyone has their own set of ordinances. Some like to pretend they've delegated that responsibility is all.
No actually there are people who attempt to follow ordinances they personally would not like to, and in the end find some wisdom through having done so.

You can see I'd make a lousy Sufi.
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No actually there are people who attempt to follow ordinances they personally would not like to, and in the end find some wisdom through having done so.
That they attempt to follow aspects of an ordinance they personally don't like doesn't change that they chose the ordinance. And what happens when one can't live up to an ordinance (perhaps because one really doesn't desire to do so)?
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Old 07-29-2007, 03:24 PM
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That they attempt to follow aspects of an ordinance they personally don't like doesn't change that they chose the ordinance.
Not always directly, though.

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And what happens when one can't live up to an ordinance (perhaps because one really doesn't desire to do so)?
I suppose they work on something else they can accomplish. We all got something to work on.
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[quote=*Paul*;891991]PEACE

By God the christians are our BROTHERS in humanity.


O you changed your name hay,
just the person im looking for,
firstly which version of the bible are
you quoting from o the trinitarian one.
There are christian groups who reject these translations and you know this,

ONENESS OF ALLAH
MOSESeuteronomy:6:4,6 THY GOD IS ONE
:Exodus:20,3,4,5

JESUS:Mark:12,29 THY GOD IS ONE
:Mathew:26,39 will of God muslim
:Mathew:6,9
:Mathew:7,21
:John:9,31
:John6,38
MUHAMMAD:QURAN:2,163 THY GOD IS ONE
:6:19
:18,110
:21,108
:112,1
The manner in which the prophets worshipped,
Genesis:17,3 Abraham
Exodus:34,8 Moses
numbers:20,6 Moses, Aron
Joshua:5,14 Joshua
Elijah:18,42 Elijah
Mathew :26,39, Jesus
Revelation:7,11 Angels ALL PROSTRATED TO GOD.
Quran 15,98 22,26 26,219 and many more.
FASTING: Moses Exodus34,28 David Psalms69,10 Jesus Mathew 4,2 Mat5,17 Mat6,16
CHARITY:Mat:6,1,2,3,4 Mat19,21
ARE THESE NOT SIMILARITYS SHOULD POKE A FINGER IN YOUR BLIND EYE>
More in futur INSHALLAH(with God His permission).
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She believes that Jesus is the son of God in the sense that all humans are the children of God and that Jesus is divine just as all humans are divine because God dwells in them.

Redding doesn't feel she has to resolve all the contradictions.
Sounds to me like she just did.
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