Jesus Body (Jesus Christ, Creator, Earth, gospel, crucifixion)

[Unes]

In Colossians we read:

The Supremacy of Christ
1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn 25. over all creation,26
(Foot note 25: In Col1:15 the emphasis is on the priority of Jesus’ rank as over and above creation (cf. 1:16 and the “for” clause referring to Jesus as Creator))

1:16 for all things in heaven and on earth were created by him—all things, whether visible or invisible, whether thrones or dominions, whether principalities or powers—all things were created through him and for him.

1:17 He himself is before all things and all things are held together in him.

I saw these verses in Colossians were simplified as follows:

Colossians 1:15 for countless billions of years, even before the physical universe was created, Jesus lived as a spirit person in heaven and enjoyed the relationship with his father, the Grand Creator.

According to Gospels Jesus was born and was raised about 2000 years ago. Jesus body was formed and was developed after his birth from mother Mary. Jesus body was so holy that he was resurrected after his crucifixion and he was ascended to heaven.

Now the question arises:


Since before the Gospels’ story of Jesus, Jesus existed as a spirit, and after the Gospels’ story of Jesus, Jesus got a physical body, then can we conclude Jesus structure changed?

Who was Jesus mother when he existed before his birth from mother Mary?

Did God deceive us in the Genesis story when he said “1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”!?

When God asked us to observe the First Commandment, did he forget about Jesus!?

May God Bless us All,
Unes

[PureX]

I think you're taking the text too literally. It was not "Jesus" that had always existed, but Christ. Christ is an ideal - it's the ideal of God's nature being expressed in human form. This ideal existed from the beginning, but according to Christianity, did not happen until Jesus was physically born. Jesus was this Christ: God's love and forgiveness (God's nature) expressed in human form. We were also meant to be expressions of God in human form, but according to the religious tradition, we fell away from that anointed position (as in the story of Eden). Jesus came to show us and to offer us a way of being restored to that position, again.

[Unes]

Originally Posted by PureX

I think you're taking the text too literally.

PureX, first of all the religious group should make up their mind; either the scriptures are word of God which has to be interpreted literally, or they are some fuzzy documents which would be interpreted by Man according to Man’s own ideologies! You can not use the text literally in some occasions and interpret it differently as you please! That would be very deceptive way to run the business of the Truth. After all you wish to defend and to expand the Truth. What kind of Truth that would be if it is based on such arbitrary presentation!?

Originally Posted by PureX

It was not "Jesus" that had always existed, but Christ.

Here, you are claiming that "Jesus" and Christ are two different entities which they join together! This is a blasphemous claim! Jesus always has been advertised as "Jesus Christ”. And these entities always have been interchangeable.

Still, even with your interpretation, you can not deny after Jesus entered in heaven the nature of Christ in heaven was changed! The Christ, the creator who existed above the creation, did not have a physical body before, and then he acquired Jesus body for his physical presence.

May God Bless us All,
Unes

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Unes

Now the question arises:

Since before the Gospels’ story of Jesus, Jesus existed as a spirit, and after the Gospels’ story of Jesus, Jesus got a physical body, then can we conclude Jesus structure changed?

Absolutely. He was a personage of spirit during His pre-mortal existence. He then became a mortal being, and upon being resurrected became an glorified celestial being who will never again be subject to death.

Who was Jesus mother when he existed before his birth from mother Mary?

His Heavenly Mother, His Heavenly Father's eternal companion. Who ever heard of a father without a mother?

Did God deceive us in the Genesis story when he said “1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.”!?

No, in the beginning God did create the heavens and the earth. Obviously I missed your point. Sorry.

When God asked us to observe the First Commandment, did he forget about Jesus!?

No, we are to have no other gods before Him. He is not only Jesus' Father, He is -- as Jesus explicitely stated -- also His God.

[PureX]

God didn't write the scriptures. So we are free to read them as we would read any other human-written text. That is, we would interpret them as they were intended by the authors to be interpreted, as best we could discern this. And the authors of most biblical texts were big on using these texts as inspiration for contemplation, prayer, discussion, and debate. The point of most scripture is not to tell us what to think, and what to believe, but to inspire us to open our minds and hearts to the great mystery that "God" is.

The truth is not in the scriptures. The truth is in God, and the scriptures are not God. So I see no need to venerate or worship them as if they were sacred and sacrosanct. And I see no reason to presume that they are absolutely and literally true. They were intended to point us in the direction of truth. Nothing more.

[athanasius]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Absolutely. He was a personage of spirit during His pre-mortal existence. He then became a mortal being, and upon being resurrected became an glorified celestial being who will never again be subject to death.

His Heavenly Mother, His Heavenly Father's eternal companion. Who ever heard of a father without a mother?

No, in the beginning God did create the heavens and the earth. Obviously I missed your point. Sorry.

No, we are to have no other gods before Him. He is not only Jesus' Father, He is -- as Jesus explicitely stated -- also His God.

Hello my good friend. I didn't know that Mormons taught that there were two Gods. Maybe I misunderstood. I beleive of coarse that Jesus existed before his incarnation but I do not believe that he had a Mother Goddess in heaven married to God the father? I would say his Mother is human and his Father is divine. I might have misunderstood your explanation. We Catholics believe Mary is the mother of Jesus but we also beleive that Jesus being God created his own mother(Mary) who is just a glorified sinless human being.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by athanasius

Hello my good friend. I didn't know that Mormons taught that there were two Gods. Maybe I misunderstood.

We believe that the Father and the Son are physically distinct from one another and not both part of a single substance. But the Book of Mormon, like the Bible, teaches that they are "one God." We just disagree with you as to the way in which they are one.

I would say his Mother is human and his Father is divine. I might have misunderstood your explanation.

We believe that Jesus is the spirit Son of divine parents (plural) and was the mortal/immortal Son of a divine Father and a human mother.

We Catholics believe Mary is the mother of Jesus but we also beleive that Jesus being God created his own mother(Mary) who is just a glorified sinless human being.

Since we don't believe that the Father and the Son are one and the same, we don't believe that God (the Father) created His own mother. We believe that He created the mother of His Son, Jesus Christ. While we hold Mary in high regard, we don't believe she was sinless. We believe that Jesus Christ was unique in that regard.

[SB Habakuk]

The Body (garment ) of Jesus is that of his Father _ for he and his Father is One- But this garment is not his -garment of the infinite- this garment is terrible- as it was recorded -when he was adorned- he shook the foundation of the earth- the very voices of anels was heard worldwide

[twirlybirdy]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

When God asked us to observe the First Commandment, did he forget about Jesus!?

In my religion, Lutheran, We believe in the Trinity, 3 in 1 concept.

[SB Habakuk]

Christ existed in the true infinite- robed in true glory
He stripped himself of this garment and descended
He was given a garment by the one termed as Father
Again I must reiterate that christ did not receive a body (garment) fro m those in authority- every human being who comes into this system of things receives such- Christ by stealth appeared among the rulers as the angel Gabriel descending- they did not give him a garment-

Mary was not "defiled" in any sexual way- Christ was made present through the power of a word- this was utterred- Christ came forth as its fulfillment
C hrist birth was immaculate in every way- the result is a being blessed with a word-body-