Jesus Body (Jesus Christ, Creator, Earth, gospel, crucifixion)

[Unes]

Originally Posted by PureX

The point of most scripture is not to tell us what to think, and what to believe, but to inspire us to open our minds and hearts to the great mystery that "God" is.

The truth is not in the scriptures. The truth is in God, and the scriptures are not God. So I see no need to venerate or worship them as if they were sacred and sacrosanct. And I see no reason to presume that they are absolutely and literally true. They were intended to point us in the direction of truth. Nothing more.

PureX, I do accept this view whole heartily, but that is not how the Holy Bible is practiced! However, if the Christians accept the fallibility of the Holy Bible then of course they would get liberated! And that is not what the Christian Church would condone!

It is easy to make a peculiar theological claim about Christ, similar to the verse Colossians 1:15, but as you see such a claim does create damning contradictions. The posts of the other Christian members are a reflection of such deeply rooted contradictions.

May God Bless us All,
Unes

[SB Habakuk]

Again - truth is of "god" but it can only be relayed to humanity through an image-This image is often subjective- but those who seek after it will Find- Know this.
Christ cannot be divided- he was destroyed and he attained light

[PureX]

Originally Posted by Unes

PureX, I do accept this view whole heartily, but that is not how the Holy Bible is practiced! However, if the Christians accept the fallibility of the Holy Bible then of course they would get liberated! And that is not what the Christian Church would condone!

It is easy to make a peculiar theological claim about Christ, similar to the verse Colossians 1:15, but as you see such a claim does create damning contradictions. The posts of the other Christian members are a reflection of such deeply rooted contradictions.

May God Bless us All,
Unes

I'm not personally bothered by such contradictions. I don't believe we humans can contemplate truth without the experience of dichotomy. It's when such contradiction becomes an excuse for willful dishonesty, and for antisocial behavior that I find it unacceptable. Not that there's much I can do about this.

[Unes]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

His Heavenly Mother, His Heavenly Father's eternal companion. Who ever heard of a father without a mother?

How amusing these theologies can get!?

Our existing knowledge indicates that our capability of reasoning is the jewel of the known Universe. Our established Religions have recognized this observation correctly and they have celebrated Man above all the other things. From this simple observation we can conclude; limiting our thoughts goes against the Creator’s intention. We have been empowered to think, so any theology which denies this fact is void.

Now using this magnificent gift, how did we prove that idol worshipping was absurd? We have to use the same critical thinking for all aspects of our belief systems. Now applying the same free analyses about the Image of Jesus Christ which the Christians are promoting we can easily conclude that Image is flawed in many aspects. Here is one aspect of it:

How can anybody in his right mind accept an evolving deity to be the Creator of this Universe? As I pointed out according to Christianity before the Jesus story in the Gospels, Christ existed as a spirit, and after the Jesus story that spirit transformed into a physical body. That transformation rejects that Christ to be: “... being of the same substance with the Father, ..." . A changing deity is an imperfect deity.

Just the notion of the “Trinity”, or three in one Deity is fundamentally flawed to begin with. It is absurd of us to dissect the nature of the Creator. We never can have any knowledge of the Domain of God who is beyond this Universe of the substances. The Christian church adopted the Trinity theology to please Emperor Constantinople, since he was comfortable with the structure of the Roman pagan religion. And I thought we had out grown the pagan religions!

When someone sincerely is searching for the Truth, first of all he/she needs to overcome his/her own personal egos and submit to the most coherent logic which the human mind can form. After all these theologies are made to satisfy the human’s quest for his/her own existence.

May God Bless us All,
Unes

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Unes

How amusing these theologies can get!?

Some people are easily amused. (*Makes mental note to remember in the future that Unes is one of them*)

When someone sincerely is searching for the Truth, first of all he/she needs to overcome his/her own personal egos and submit to the most coherent logic which the human mind can form.

Speaking of which, how can there be a Father without a Mother?

[Unes]

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Speaking of which, how can there be a Father without a Mother?

Katzpur, this is a reasonable conclusion. Here we end up concluding that even a spirit is getting born and having a mother. And if we continue on this path then it is reasonable to worship “Heavenly Mother”. Then instead of having the Trinity we would have “Four Deity” and if we add mother Mary to this mixed we would have “Five Deity”.

Actually I witnessed a debate between a Catholic Priest and a protestant Priest. The Catholic priest was claiming Mother Mary’s virginity was resumed after Jesus Birth. And mother Mary remained a virgin for the rest of her life. The Catholic priest was forced to conclude that Mother Mary herself has to be born to a virgin birth to be considered without sin. We see there is no limit in expanding these kinds of reasoning. These are all plausible conclusions which arise from the original concept which was made based on declaring Jesus was God, or son of God. And that was exactly the point when I used the “Humorous” adjective to show the flawed in the Christian theology. We need to examine very carefully base on what evidences the bishops in Nicaea council could declare Jesus as God? All Jesus miracles were introduced long after Jesus crucifixions. With a careful examination of those stories we can prove these stories were made by some evangelists in order to boast Jesus image and expand their own evangelical movements. How could we accept such a Universe Shaking Claim to be based on such stories?

When someone makes a wrong assumption we see how our version of Truth suffers and we end up with some very confusing and weird theologies. We can not allow the serious business of our spiritual beliefs to be mixed with the fairytale of Santa Clause and similar myths. In this environment which everything is an instrument of entertainment we see how the Christian theology is a willing participant for the entertainment and a tool for the political parties. It seems the Christian Church is more interested to maintain its power than yielding to the scientific facts and human’s enlightenment. This hardly qualifies the Church as the institution for the spiritual growth. Saying all that negative things still we should acknowledge the invaluable fellowship services which the Church provides for its members. The Church fellowship services are the best but its theology is wasted.

May God Bless us All,
Unes

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Unes

Katzpur, this is a reasonable conclusion. Here we end up concluding that even a spirit is getting born and having a mother. And if we continue on this path then it is reasonable to worship “Heavenly Mother”. Then instead of having the Trinity we would have “Four Deity” and if we add mother Mary to this mixed we would have “Five Deity”.

(1)Who said spirits are "born"? Birth is a physical thing. It is the way a physical body enters mortality. (2)It is entirely possible to believe in the existence of a female counterpart to God without worshipping her. I know because I do. (3) I don't believe in the Trinity nor do I worship Mary, so from where I sit, we're back to three: A Father, a Son, and a Holy Ghost, each of whom is physically distinct from the others, but all of whom are divine and who are "one" in mind and heart, will and purpose.

[Unes]

Genesis 32:24 So Jacob was left alone. Then a man wrestled with him until daybreak. 32:25 When the man saw that he could not defeat Jacob, he struck the socket of his hip, so the socket of Jacob's hip was dislocated while he wrestled with him. 32:26 Then the man said, "Let me go, for the dawn is breaking." "I will not let you go," Jacob replied "unless you bless me." 32:27 The man asked him, "What is your name?" He answered, "Jacob." 32:28 "No longer will your name be Jacob," the man told him, "but Israel, because you have fought with God and with men and have prevailed."

I understand Jacob was a very strong man, but was this the same God who created this Universe!?

Samuel 7:4 And it came to pass that night, that the word of the LORD came unto Nathan, saying, 7:5 Go and tell my servant David, Thus saith the LORD, Shalt thou build me an house for me to dwell in? 7:6 Whereas I have not dwelt in any house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle.

The way that God, the Father, complains about his living accommodation then one would wonder, why God did not build a temple for himself.

Of course when God, the Father, is portrayed with these kinds of characteristics, then one would expect that his son to be portrayed that way in the Holy Bible.

May God Bless us All,
Unes

[Unes]

“After Jesus crucifixion, many people in the Jewish community in Palestine thought John the Baptist was the Messiah. They reasoned since Jesus had gone to John to be baptized, then John the Baptist must have higher status than Jesus.”

Father Jerome Murphy O’Conner,
Ecole Bibligue Jerusalem

From this statement we can conclude, since there is no miracle associated to John the Baptist, so right after Jesus Crucifixion there must had been no miracles associated to Jesus either.

May God Bless us All,
Unes