Does Jesus have any limitation? (Earth, doom, choices, choice)

[Unes]

If Jesus is divine and he knows everything then for sure Jesus knows our future and our fate. If Jesus knows our fate then how can we violate our fate? And where is our choice to sin or to be virtuous and do good?

May God Bless us All,
Unes

[PureX]

Originally Posted by Unes

If Jesus is divine and he knows everything then for sure Jesus knows our future and our fate. If Jesus knows our fate then how can we violate our fate? And where is our choice to sin or to be virtuous and do good?

The choice is in OUR NOT KNOWING. It doesn't matter what Jesus knows. What matters is that we don't know our own fate, and so from our perspective, we must still choose our own path.

[Unes]

Originally Posted by PureX

The choice is in OUR NOT KNOWING. It doesn't matter what Jesus knows. What matters is that we don't know our own fate, and so from our perspective, we must still choose our own path.

PureX, it is clear that WE DO NOT KNOW OUR FATE. Nobody has claimed otherwise! However if our fate is known before hand to some divinity, then our choices are doomed to that outcome! There will be no alternative but to fulfill that fate.

May God Bless us All,
Unes

[PureX]

Originally Posted by Unes

PureX, it is clear that WE DO NOT KNOW OUR FATE. Nobody has claimed otherwise! However if our fate is known before hand to some divinity, then our choices are doomed to that outcome! There will be no alternative but to fulfill that fate.

But you're looking at it backwards. The "outcome that Jesus knows" is an outcome based on our free will. The outcome isn't what it is because Jesus knows it, it's what it is because we will choose it.

[Unes]

Originally Posted by PureX

But you're looking at it backwards. The "outcome that Jesus knows" is an outcome based on our free will. The outcome isn't what it is because Jesus knows it, it's what it is because we will choose it.

PureX, if Jesus knows what choices I will be making, then that will eliminate my choices! That is the paradox! I will not be able to violate any of those decisions.

I do not know next year what issues I will be facing with and what choices I will be making regarding those issues. If those issues and my decisions are known to some divinity before hand then my fate is sealed and the notion of my “Free Will” will be just an illusion which I will be entertaining. This is like I feel I am stationary on the surface of the earth and I do not feel any of the motions which I am subjected to.

May God Bless us All,
Unes

[PureX]

Originally Posted by Unes

PureX, if Jesus knows what choices I will be making, then that will eliminate my choices!

I don't see how.

Originally Posted by Unes

That is the paradox! I will not be able to violate any of those [font='Courier New']decisions

Why not? All it would do is change what Jesus knows.

Originally Posted by Unes

I do not know next year what issues I will be facing with and what choices I will be making regarding those issues. If those issues and my decisions are known to some divinity before hand then my fate is sealed and the notion of my “Free Will” will be just an illusion which I will be entertaining.

I understand that you think so, but I don't understand why. You have not made all your decisions in life, yet, and when the time comes, you will decide as you will decide. This has nothing to do with Jesus knowing which way you will decide. You keep claiming there is some iron-clad correlation between what Jesus knows abut your decisions, and your decisions, but I don't see any correlation, there. You are still free to decide as you wish, whether Jesus knows what you will decide or not. The fact that some deity knows what you will choose to do in the future doesn't change your life at all.

I don't really understand why you can't recognize this.

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by Unes

PureX, if Jesus knows what choices I will be making, then that will eliminate my choices! That is the paradox! I will not be able to violate any of those decisions.

I do not know next year what issues I will be facing with and what choices I will be making regarding those issues. If those issues and my decisions are known to some divinity before hand then my fate is sealed and the notion of my “Free Will” will be just an illusion which I will be entertaining. This is like I feel I am stationary on the surface of the earth and I do not feel any of the motions which I am subjected to.

May God Bless us All,
Unes

Why don't you start by explaining where you come up with the idea that Jesus knows every choice you are going to make. Is there a scripture somewhere in the Bible that says this? If there is, I must have missed it.

[Unes]

Originally Posted by PureX

I don't see how.

PureX, assume there are choices of A and B. If it is known before hand that we will choose B, then that would obligate us to make that choice. Because, if we are free to choose A, then that would violates the knowledge of the deity. In a strange way we are conditioned to fulfill our designated fate.

Originally Posted by Katzpur

Why don't you start by explaining where you come up with the idea that Jesus knows every choice you are going to make. Is there a scripture somewhere in the Bible that says this? If there is, I must have missed it.

Katzpur, when we believe in the existence of a Creator, then we assume that Creator purely has our best interest in mind, and there is no conflict of interest at play. As a result that Creator needs to be perfect himself. An imperfect Creator needs to work on his own deficiencies and he will not be suitable to point out our ultimate interest.

May God Bless us All,
Unes

[SB Habakuk]

Know this- There are those who speak of Christ without knowing- that those who are called by his name - are incorruptible- and unconquerable
Many have borrowed Christianity and in the end it will be required of them
When one attains the chrism- one becomes to be at rest-
but within these visible forms-the burden of one humanity will pull one into the mixture- therefore it is important to give oneselfs (wings) - the meditation on truth- in order to escape these visible forms- for they posess evil- imagine christ saying to you personally
Give all you have to the poor and follow me- this is the essense of the matter