genealogy of Jesus? (Jesus Christ, Messiah, virgin, blood, prophecy)

[Mestemia]

The Messiah must be a physical descendant of David (Rom. 1:3, Acts 2:30).

• Act 2:30
  Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, He would raise up Christ to sit upon his throne,
  
  Rom 1:3
  about His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, who was made of the seed of David according to the flesh,

Yet, how could Jesus meet this requirement since his genealogies in Matt. 1 and Luke 3 show he descended from David through Joseph, who was not his natural father (the Virgin Birth)?

• Mat 1:1-16
  The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.
  Abraham fathered Isaac, and Isaac fathered Jacob, and Jacob fathered Judah and his brothers.
  And Judah fathered Pharez and Zarah of Tamar. And Pharez fathered Hezron, and Hezron fathered Ram,
  and Ram fathered Amminadab, and Amminadab fathered Nahshon, and Nahshon fathered Salmon.
  And Salmon fathered Boaz of Rahab, and Boaz fathered Obed of Ruth, and Obed fathered Jesse,
  and Jesse fathered David the king. And David the king fathered Solomon of her who had been wife of Uriah.
  And Solomon fathered Rehoboam, and Rehoboam fathered Abijah, and Abijah fathered Asa.
  And Asa fathered Jehoshaphat, and Jehoshaphat fathered Jehoram, and Jehoram fathered Uzziah.
  And Uzziah fathered Jotham, and Jotham fathered Ahaz, and Ahaz fathered Hezekiah.
  And Hezekiah fathered Manasseh, and Manasseh fathered Amon, and And Josiah fathered Jehoiachin and his brothers, at the time they were carried away to Babylon.
  And after the carrying away to Babylon, Jehoiachin fathered Shealtiel, and Shealtiel fathered Zerubbabel.
  And Zerubbabel fathered Abiud, and Abiud fathered Eliakim, and Eliakim fathered Azor.
  And Azor fathered Sadoc, and Sadoc fathered Achim, and Achim fathered Eliud.
  And Eliud fathered Eleazar, and Eleazar fathered Matthan, and Matthan fathered Jacob.
  And Jacob fathered Joseph, the husband to be of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ.
  
  Luk 3:23-38
  And Jesus Himself was beginning to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) son of Joseph, son of of Heli,
  son of of Matthat, son of of Levi, son of of Melchi, son of of Janna, son of of Joseph,
  son of of Mattathias, son of of Amos, son of of Nahum, son of of Esli, son of of Naggai,
  son of of Maath, son of of Mattathias, son of of Semei, son of of Joseph, son of of Juda,
  son of of Joanna, son of of Rhesa, son of of Zerubbabel, son of of Shealtiel, son of of Neri,
  son of of Melchi, son of of Addi, son of of Cosam, son of of Elmodam, son of of Er,
  son of of Joses, son of of Eliezer, son of of Jorum, son of of Matthat, son of of Levi,
  son of of Simeon, son of of Juda, son of of Joseph, son of of Jonan, son of of Eliakim,
  son of of Melea, the son of Menan, son of of Mattatha, son of of Nathan, son of of David,
  son of of Jesse, son of of Obed, son of of Boaz, son of of Salma, son of of Nahshon,
  son of of Amminadab, son of of Ram, son of of Hezron, son of of Pharez, son of of Judah,
  son of of Jacob, son of of Isaac, son of of Abraham, son of of Terah, son of of Nahor,
  son of of Serug, son of of Reu, son of of Peleg, son of of Eber, son of of Shelah,
  son of of Cainan, son of of Arphaxad, son of of Shem, son of of Noah, son of of Lamech,
  son of of Methuselah, son of of Enoch, son of of Jared, son of of Mahalaleel, son of of Cainan,
  son of of Enos, son of of Seth, son of of Adam, son of of God.

[silvermoon383]

The 2 genealogies are a bit different. One is Mary's, the other it Joseph's (I'm not sure which). Both Joseph and Mary were descended from King David, literally fullfilling the prophecy.

That and the people of that time thought that Joseph was Christ's father, so I guess Matthew or Luke (whoever it was) thought it was worth it to put in His patriarchal lineage.

[Mestemia]

Except that niether of the genealogies listed are for mary.
they are both for Joseph.

Would you be so kind as to present the verse(s) that indicate Mary is "of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh" of David?

[silvermoon383]

You're right, it doesn't come out and say it straight, but Matthew's says that Joseph was the husband to be of Mary, "of whom Jesus was born." That and the father of Joseph is different is different between the two lists. This suggests they're the genealogies of two different people, who are related in some way.

[Mestemia]

Good valid points.
thank you for your assistance.

[john313]

maybe mary was artificially inseminated with semen from joseph. those angels can do some wild things.

peace

[Ody]

Originally Posted by silvermoon383

The 2 genealogies are a bit different. One is Mary's, the other it Joseph's (I'm not sure which). Both Joseph and Mary were descended from King David, literally fullfilling the prophecy.

From a Jewish perspective...

Tribal and royal lines go through the fathers blood.

[astarath]

Two Points:
1. Yaheshua's father was God so he has a fairly valid claim to the right of David's line (israel's kingship)
2.Mary's bloodline was not of David but of Aaron and this entiteld her sister Martha's son (John the Baptist) to have rights to the priest bloodline.

These facts are what make them both messiahs in all actuality. (annointed one's)

[Buttons*]

Originally Posted by astarath

Two Points:
1. Yaheshua's father was God so he has a fairly valid claim to the right of David's line (israel's kingship)
2.Mary's bloodline was not of David but of Aaron and this entiteld her sister Martha's son (John the Baptist) to have rights to the priest bloodline.

These facts are what make them both messiahs in all actuality. (annointed one's)

lets just twist it around until we get something that halfway resembles the truth....

[linwood]

Originally Posted by astarath

2.Mary's bloodline was not of David but of Aaron and this entiteld her sister Martha's son (John the Baptist) to have rights to the priest bloodline.

This is interesting.
Is their Biblical support for Martha being of Aarons line?

Discussion of John the baptists right to priesthood or something along those lines?