genealogy of Jesus? (Jesus Christ, Messiah, virgin, blood, prophecy)

[NoahideHiker]

When you compare the geneology from Matthew to the geneologies given in I Chronicles 3 it is not even accurate.

http://www.chabad.org/library/article.asp?AID=16523


Of course Paul tried to wave it off in I Timothy 1:4...

"or to concern themselves with myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the plan of God that is to be received by faith."

[MidnightBlue]

Originally Posted by NoahideHiker

The question really is moote because both genealogies would render Jesus disqualified for multiple reasons.

#1)Nowhere does it say that either genealogies are Mary's.

As far as I know, no early Christians thought that either genealogy was Mary's. It sounds like something Jerome would've come up with, but the idea is apparently as recent as the Reformation. So why did the only two Gospels that claim a virgin birth include Joseph's genealogy? I don't know.

Originally Posted by NoahideHiker

When you compare the geneology from Matthew to the geneologies given in I Chronicles 3 it is not even accurate.

Matthew's treatment of the Old Testament generally is pretty odd. I often wonder whether it was really written by a Jew, as most people seem to think, or by a Gentile who was trying to reconcile Christianity and Judaism.

Originally Posted by NoahideHiker

Of course Paul tried to wave it off in I Timothy 1:4...

"or to concern themselves with myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the plan of God that is to be received by faith."

I doubt that Paul was concerned about the genealogies in the gospels; he probably never read them. He seems unfamiliar with most of the details of Jesus' life as recounted in the gospels, and uninterested. His Christ is a mystical Christ with soteriological and eschatological significance; he's not particularly interested in Jesus the man and teacher.

[Yəhošafat]

Originally Posted by NoahideHiker

When you compare the geneology from Matthew to the geneologies given in I Chronicles 3 it is not even accurate.

Of course Paul tried to wave it off in I Timothy 1:4...

"or to concern themselves with myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the plan of God that is to be received by faith."

Originally Posted by NoahideHiker

When you compare the geneology from Matthew to the geneologies given in I Chronicles 3 it is not even accurate.
Of course Paul tried to wave it off in I Timothy 1:4...

"or to concern themselves with myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculations rather than the plan of God that is to be received by faith."

Jews have long given excuses to why they thnk Jesus is and was not the promised Messiah. Yet Jesus is the only one to ever complete 100% of the prophecy (of the 1 st Coming) of the Messiah. First of all each genealogy is of a different span of time, and made for different reasons, I have a site that will explain to you but i cannot paste it here, yet, it will not let me.

Plus, you ought to follow the advice of the Apostle Paul. He was a Jew, who tought almost the same things you did, and he found it supported by Scripture to kill the Christians, yet something happened that caused him to turn all the way around, and become that which he was before killing. Jesus appeared to him, and knocked some sense into Paul, you ought to listen to the testimony of a former Jewish Pharisee, and a Christian Apostle.

[NoahideHiker]

Originally Posted by MidnightBlue

I doubt that Paul was concerned about the genealogies in the gospels; he probably never read them. He seems unfamiliar with most of the details of Jesus' life as recounted in the gospels, and uninterested. His Christ is a mystical Christ with soteriological and eschatological significance; he's not particularly interested in Jesus the man and teacher.

Were it not for Paul and Matthew I think christianity would have gained a better foothold with the Jews. Matthew is credited as one of the main reasons Jews reject christianity because the concepts he brought in were so far from Judaism. Both were horrible abusers of the Jewish scriptures through misquotes, out of context claims and general fabrications.

[NoahideHiker]

Originally Posted by Yəhošafat

Jews have long given excuses to why they thnk Jesus is and was not the promised Messiah. Yet Jesus is the only one to ever complete 100% of the prophecy (of the 1 st Coming) of the Messiah.

Absolute hogwash. All of the prophecies Jesus is reported to have fulfilled can not be proven today. The Tanach is so clear on this issue. If someone comes and does all the thing prophesied in the Tanach then he is the Moshiach. If someone comes and claims to be the Moshiach but fails on but one, he is not the Moshiach.

If we examine even the shortest list of the most basic prophecies we find Jesus fulfilled none of them. World peace, in gathering of the Jews to Israel, rebuilding of the Temple, universal knowledge of G-d, ect. Jesus did none of this.

Originally Posted by Yəhošafat

Plus, you ought to follow the advice of the Apostle Paul. He was a Jew, who tought almost the same things you did, and he found it supported by Scripture to kill the Christians, yet something happened that caused him to turn all the way around, and become that which he was before killing. Jesus appeared to him, and knocked some sense into Paul, you ought to listen to the testimony of a former Jewish Pharisee, and a Christian Apostle.

So let's see here; Paul claimed to be a Pharisee of Pharisees. The Jewish courts sent him out to kill christians, right? The question is, what would a Jewish court, controled by the Sadusees be doing dealing with a Pharisee? They wouldn't. The two groups were always at odds and would not have had anything to do each other. And if Paul was this great towering Jew why did he misquote the Jewish scriptures so much?
Paul became tired of trying to convert the Jews, whom he had no success at, so he went to the Gentiles. He took his limited knowledge of Judaism and mixed in things that were familiar to the pagans. Why do you think there is so much theology that is found in religions that predate christianity, but yet are not even found in Judaism. There are many religions that held a savior would come born of a virgin, born near Dec. 25th in a cave, was the son of G-d, died for the sins of the world and ascended to heaven. Yet none of this is found in the Jewish scriptures.

Much of what Paul teachings did was basically shoot an arrow into a tree and paint a bullseye around it.