Islam and women (dress code, tradition, elder, prophet, experience)

[Melody]

Originally Posted by nutshell

Every culture seems to have it's own experiences with degrading women. Lets not judge Islam too harshly. Our own religions/cultures have probably done the same.

Nobody is *judging* anything. I made an observation and asked why. Notice guys...this is a "discussion" not debate.

[Melody]

Originally Posted by Ab'dal Hameed

About the so called "clerics". In my opinion, in the modern context we must be very careful who we listen to. The Quran puts heavy emphasis on one s own thinking and striving to understand.And we must read and re read the Holy Scripture.

Thank you. So it is a problem with the interpretation...and not the belief itself.

[egroen]

The problem comes when this practice is brought over to western countries, where obviously a large culture clash occurs. I went to school in the detroit area, which has a large muslim population. Many of the girls resented having to wear a veil, and flaunted their rebellion, often rebelling more than a typical teenager might, because of what they viewed in western culture as extremely strict parents.

At the other end, the boys and young men in school became even more 'macho' in their attempts to 'protect' their sisters and cousins. Fights where gangs of arab boys would beat up others (non-arabs) for simply talking to, talking about, or heaven forbid, dating the arab girls. In fact, they were largely out of control with their 'machismo.'

Being of middle eastern heritage, but not muslim, I would often endure insults ("slut," whore," "tramp" etc.) from arab boys and girls. I would like to point out there are many levels of dress between "falunting it" and a veil, thank you.

-Erin

[TashaN]

Originally Posted by Melody

So my question becomes...why would any educated woman choose islam?

I'm a man that's why i'll let an educated woman to tell you why. I believe most of the muslim sisters in here answered you already but if you want to know more so read in the link about:

"How could you, an educated American woman convert to Islam - a religion that oppresses women?" - Blonde-haired blue-eyed, former Christian, Karla, explains how her theological dissatisfaction with the doctrine of Jesus as God and her discovery of the rights given to women in Islam led her to become a Muslim.

How could you, an educated American woman convert to Islam ?

[kai]

very good story i am glad the woman in question is lucky enough to live in a country that lets her choose her faith and practise it , i find this more a testement to being free. how easy is it in Iran or saudi arabia for a muslim woman to become a christion i wonder

[egroen]

Detroit also has a very large chaldean population, which are Iraqi Catholics. They *hate* Saddam Hussien; whom, despite being essentially a secular ruler himself, he has persecuted christians, kurds and shiites in order to gain favor with the large sunni population in Iraq.

The traditional relgion of Persia is Zoarastrianism, which is one of the oldest religions in the world (and had a large impact on christianity); they have since been largely chased out of Iran (those who were not killed). Many have fled to India and some of my family still secretly practice in Iran.

-Erin

[jamaesi]

What makes you think they wouldn't. Oh wait...right. I forgot...conversion is a death sentence...if you can get it carried out without the world stepping in. In which case you just declare them mentally unfit.

That's because of the culture and governments there.

[Jaymes]

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[almifkhar]

hello melody

well i was never beaten or negelected by my family or any one else. i'll tell you what turned me on the most to islam.

muhammad was the only person who truly stuck up for women. he did more for women than christ himself ever did.

the purpose of the veil is for respect if a woman is covered, than it makes it hard for a man to view her as a piece of meat for he is forced to deal with her intellect.

to kill an infant because it was born a girl was and still is outlawed
to