Genesis 3:22, a new look...

[Just_me_Mike]

Genesis 3
22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

First, God uses the interesting language that man is become as one of us. That line alone is subject of many studies, because of the word "us". Though it is important overall, I am going to focus on the word become. It is the idea that man had now somehow transformed to be as God. What exactly that means, is what I am concerned with here.

Next, it describes what "becoming" is. It states one who knows good and evil. This is further developed by the additional information, Adam should not obtain eternal life and is blocked from the tree of life.

A couple of thoughts come to mind. Adam now had knowledge of good and evil, and there is indication God did not want him to live forever with that knowledge, at least not at that time. It is also worth mentioning God didn't want Adam to "take" from the tree of life. Why not? IT is interesting to think of Adam, the first creation all of sudden laden with the knowledge of good and evil. Possibly, in one instance lust and hormones rush into his being. How hard that must have been (no pun intended).

From a Christian perspective, eternal life is a gift, not something we take. It is also something we receive when our sins are forgiven. In essence, our knowledge of good and evil has been perfected. Which then makes it acceptable to partake of the tree of life.

So I wonder if this verse could be teaching us, maybe warning us what it would be like to live forever with the knowledge of good and evil, but without the proper knowledge, or proper protection in regards to this awareness.

[Shamuwn]

The Knowldge Of Agreeable From Disagreeable ~ A Yahuwa Of The Eloheem Said Behold , ( Talking To The Cherubeems ) Now Adam Has Become As < Ekhawd > - Aramic - ' One ' Of < Naw > 'Us ' , A Disagreeable Being For He Was Already Created Agreeable . So This Could Only Mean He Became Something New , Which Would Be Like The Disagreeable Cherubeems ; His < Ahyin > 'Eyes ' Are < Fawkakh > 'Open . When It Says One Of Us , It's Implying As One Of The Cherubeems , Those Guarding The East End Of The Enclosed Garden As In Genesis 3 ; 24 . He Now < Yawdah > 'Knows , Meaning He Has Will Power Now . He Has It In His Nature . The < Naw > Being Used In The Hebrew For Us , Also Implies That There Were More Than One Yahuwa Involved In This Situation . This Was The 24 Yahwehs Or Elders Which Were In The Garden Of Eden , 12 Agreeable ( Serapheems ) And 12 Disagreeable ( Cherubeems ) Called Luciferians .

So Adam Now < Yawdah > 'Knows Pleasure From Pain , Sober From Intoxication , Right From Wrong And Disagreeable From Agreeable . He's Been Confronted With Deception , Because He's Been Deceived . He Tried To Lie And Pervert Thoughts . He Is Just Like < Ekhawd > - Aramic - ' One ' Of < Naw > 'Us ' , [ Those Disagreeable Ones , And Us Agreeable Ones ] . In The State That Adam Is In , He's Not Entitled To What He Was Created To Get ; His Divinity As A Etherian Again Which Would Be Eternal Life . He Must Pass Through Stages , And This Stage That You're Passing Through Is A 6,000 Year Period From Adam's Expulsion Without His Barathary Gland And His Four Higher Senses Of Divinity Namely ; 1 . Intuition , 2 . Clairvoyance , 3 . Phychometry , 4 Telepathy . And From The Enclosed Garden Of Delight Until The End Of This Era , Also Read Genesis 3 ; 22 - 23 .

The Eloheem Had To Force Zakar / Adam And Nekaybaw / Eve Leave The Enclosed Garden Of Delight . They Never Mention That In The Bible . The Aramic Hebrew Word Used In Genesis 3 ; 24 Is < Gawrash > Meaning 'Evicted To Drive Out . They Did Not Want To Leave , So They Drove Them Out . That's Why In Genesis 3 ; 24 . They Put Cherubeem , The Second Order Of Angelic Hierarchy . As The Two Cherubeems , Also Called Kerubim , That Protected The Mercy Seat ( Exodus 25 ; 18 - 20 ) , Or Cover Of The Ark In The Holy Of Holies . Their Symbol Was Of The Kareb Meaning 'Near Ones , Or The Kerubi Of The Assyrians , Karab - Bull Headed With Extended Wings , In Egypt In Front Of A Naos As Protecors , Faces Of Men , Bodies Of Bull With Extended Wings . Disagreeable Angelic Beings , The Wicked Ones . And It Is Necesary To Put Wicked Beings To Guard The East End Of The Gate , Because Adam Was Going To Try To Get Back Into The Garden , So They Had To Protect It . The Order Of Cherubeems [ Men , Warriors ] That Did Not Like Adam , But Knew They Were Stationed At The East End Of The Garden . Why The East ? Because The Easterm Side Of The Garden Of Delight Was Facing Nod ,

The Persian Gulf Area From Which Nakhaas Entered . The Western Side Of The Garden Of Delight Was Pointing Towards The Nile . They Were Worried About The People At The Tigris And Euphrates , That's Where Adam And Eve Were Put Out . They Ended Up Migrating Towards Sawdeh - Aramic - , The Outer Field , Called Sudan , Nubia , The First Cuwsh - Aramic , Kish , Genesis 2 ; 13 , Where You See Ethiopia , In Hebrew You Find Kush , Long Before The Cush Of Genesis 10 ; 6 Was Born . Adam Wanted To Get To The Tree Of Khayyim - Aramic - Divine Life ' , People Have Ben Seeking That Tree , And They Call It The Fountain Of Youth , And Have Been Trying To Find Ways To Preserve Life . In Actuality It Is Symbolic Of Herbivorism .

[dan b]

After Adam and Eve ate a bite from the "tree of knowledge" they began thinking useing words.(grammatica language) Before this they along with other man and women were living like as cavemen, speaking in grunts.

The Tree of Knowledge can be viewed as "somekind of a super-natural phenomena" or as what it was "the tree of language." Only after the ability to use language could people understand "good from evil." An animal or caveman can only realize what is preferable, not good or evil. The deeper type of conception comes with the ability to organize your thoughts and store your memory cattagorically using name tags called words. So John says about this time in Mesopotamia "In the beginning was the word." The beginning of Mankind's civilization. "And the word was with 'God." God said after they ate from the tree that they would become as Gods. Do Gods think with words? Thats O.K. , I don't need to know. Mabey thats why God waited 4000 years after this before he sent his son to offer us eternal life. We probably couldn't have understood him, we had to develope first with languge. dan b

[Arlanbb]

Originally Posted by itwillend

First, God uses the interesting language that man is become as one of us. That line alone is subject of many studies, because of the word "us". Though it is important overall, I am going to focus on the word become. It is the idea that man had now somehow transformed to be as God. What exactly that means, is what I am concerned with here.

Next, it describes what "becoming" is. It states one who knows good and evil. This is further developed by the additional information, Adam should not obtain eternal life and is blocked from the tree of life.

A couple of thoughts come to mind. Adam now had knowledge of good and evil, and there is indication God did not want him to live forever with that knowledge, at least not at that time. It is also worth mentioning God didn't want Adam to "take" from the tree of life. Why not? IT is interesting to think of Adam, the first creation all of sudden laden with the knowledge of good and evil. Possibly, in one instance lust and hormones rush into his being. How hard that must have been (no pun intended).

From a Christian perspective, eternal life is a gift, not something we take. It is also something we receive when our sins are forgiven. In essence, our knowledge of good and evil has been perfected. Which then makes it acceptable to partake of the tree of life.

So I wonder if this verse could be teaching us, maybe warning us what it would be like to live forever with the knowledge of good and evil, but without the proper knowledge, or proper protection in regards to this awareness.

Sure sounds like the "us" must refer to God and all the angels that were with him in heaven. And it indicates that God and all his angels also had the "knowledge of good and evil" themselves so where did they get this "knowledge of good and evil" before Adam got it???

[idea]

Genesis 3
22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever trapped in a fallen state.

God wants us to live forever - He just doesn't want us to live forever in an imperfect body. We get to know what good/evil is, then we get a brand new perfect body after we die. I would not want to be trapped in my current body, would you?

[Zardoz]

Originally Posted by idea

Genesis 3
22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever trapped in a fallen state.

God wants us to live forever - He just doesn't want us to live forever in an imperfect body. We get to know what good/evil is, then we get a brand new perfect body after we die. I would not want to be trapped in my current body, would you?

Sorry, I don't see it that way, exactly opposite in fact. Adam's body was as perfect an organism as could exist made out of matter, as G-d made it himself. No genetic problems or weaknesses, period. It was Adam's mental development which was not ready to take of the tree of life. His whole reason for existing was to partake of both trees... when he was ready, at the right time. That's why the trees were there.

[Jayhawker Soule]

It is a coming of age narrative extruded from the lore of the area.

[Just_me_Mike]

Originally Posted by Jayhawker Soule

It is a coming of age narrative extruded from the lore of the area.

Yes, it certainly is, if in fact God is not real and man made. On the other hand if God is real, I doubt it is that simple.

[Commoner]

Originally Posted by Zardoz

Sorry, I don't see it that way, exactly opposite in fact. Adam's body was as perfect an organism as could exist made out of matter, as G-d made it himself. No genetic problems or weaknesses, period. It was Adam's mental development which was not ready to take of the tree of life. His whole reason for existing was to partake of both trees... when he was ready, at the right time. That's why the trees were there.

So, perfect body - since god made it himself and a non-perfect mind since...wait, I'm confused. Who made the mind?

[Zardoz]

Originally Posted by Commoner

So, perfect body - since god made it himself and a non-perfect mind since...wait, I'm confused. Who made the mind?

The mind of a child, without experience or wisdom.