Jews (Jesus, priest, Moses, exodus, Kingdom)

[Darkwater]

Hitler & thugs were responsible for the creation of the Jewish State in it's current form.There was no way Central European Jews would wish to return to their neighbours who had shunned them?

In the beautiful & ancient city of Prague alone,the old jewish quarter is still called the old jewish quarter,despite over 250,000 Prague citizens having been sent to concentration camps from there........I'd rather have my hometown carpet-bombed flat by Nazi's & lose family members resisting than doing such a horrible thing to my neighbour.......eh,wait a minute,this is what happened to Clydebank when my family lived there during the war,my great uncle lying in the allied war graves in Berlin for carpet bombing Berlin's citizen's.

This flys in the face of the policy of the guy who made the city great by his open minded religious freedom to create a civic state there,King Wenclaus of the classic 12th century Bohemian Line of Kings.


Anyway,the Jewish State was formed after WW2,I believe that the Arab Nations(who had previously scattered them?) refer to this time as the time of *the great disaster*.

ty for the input Berachiah Ben Yisrael,The tribe of Levite's interest me greatly,though I must confess I am having trouble getting my head around the whole tribe thing.Were some or all of the Levite's based in Egypt at one time,Mary of Magdelane being one?

Saat Shri Akaal

[Berachiah Ben Yisrael]

Originally Posted by Elessar

My understanding is thusly, and not based on the Torah/Talmud, but on Semitic inheritance traditions of the time which existed, which probably had some bearing on the actions of the Patriarchs.

#1 - Can you give us your Torah understanding?

#2 - Can you give any references as to where you obtained your non Torah understandings?

Thanks in advance for your continued cooperations.

[Berachiah Ben Yisrael]

Originally Posted by Darkwater

ty for the input Berachiah Ben Yisrael,The tribe of Levite's interest me greatly,though I must confess I am having trouble getting my head around the whole tribe thing.Were some or all of the Levite's based in Egypt at one time,Mary of Magdelane being one?

Saat Shri Akaal

You know I am not sure about Miriam of Migdal being in Mitzrayim. But it is a safe bet to say that the house of Levi was there prior to Moshe' taking them out. Moshe' and his brother Aharon were both of this tribe. Hense the start of the Levitical priesthood through Aharon.

[S-word]

Originally Posted by Berachiah Ben Yisrael

You know I am not sure about Miriam of Migdal being in Mitzrayim. But it is a safe bet to say that the house of Levi was there prior to Moshe' taking them out. Moshe' and his brother Aharon were both of this tribe. Hense the start of the Levitical priesthood through Aharon.

“Remember what God did to Miriam on your journey from Egypt. If you don’t want to contact the dreaded skin disease then don’t speak against another in the first place.”

Miriam condemned her brother Moses for taking a second wife, Jepunnah the Mother of Caleb, and daughter of Hobab, who knew the wilderness like the back of his hand, but had refused (in the first instance,) to guide the Israelites in their forty years of wandering. If we are to believe that the time of Israel’s sojourn in Egypt, ‘the land of the first born,’ was 430 years to the day according to Exodus 12: 40, then the Miriam, Aaron and Moses recorded in Exodus as the children of Jochebed, cannot be, the three that were the main characters in the deportation of the Israelites out of Egypt, as Jochebed, the daughter of Levi was born 26 years after the family of Jacob entered Egypt and Moses was 80 at the time of the deportation, 26+80=106--- 430-106=324.

Knowing that Levi, who was 48 when he arrived in Egypt and 64 when his daughter Jochebed was born on the same day as his grandson Amram, who married Jochebed (His Aunty) at the age of 30 when Levi was 94, and knowing that Levi died at the age of 137, when Jochebed and Amram were about 73, and that Moses was 80 years old when he led God’s people out of Egypt, then even if we were to believe the impossible scenario that Jochebed, the daughter sired by Levi to an Egyptian woman, was born in the year of Levi’s death, (When in fact she was 73 years old) then Jochebed, the mother of Moses would had to have been 260 years old when she gave birth to the Moses who led the children of Israel, who were the result of hundreds of years of inter breeding with the children of Ham who had the spirit of first born, and the Light of Egypt was carried out in the first born children in the body of Israel, as God had killed all the first born Egyptians. "I shall call my Son out of Egypt."

In Galatians 3: 17, Paul who was a student of the renowned Jewish teacher Gamaliel, states that there was a period of 430 years between the time that God made his covenant with Abraham, and when the law was given to his chosen people by Moses, which means that Israel had lived and interbred with the descendants of Ham for only 225 years, which would tie in better with the rest of scripture than the erroneous 430 years as recorded in Exodus 12: 40, which places the the deportation of the Shepherd kings, somewhere around 1300 BC, whereas according to Paul, the time of the exodus, should be 225 years after Joseph, somewhere around 1700 BC, had made slaves of all the Egyptians without striking a single blow, which would make the expulsion of the Israelites sometime around 1500 BC the time of the explosion of the island of Santorini or Thira as it is also called. Rather than direct you to my post on the explosion of the island of Santorini I will just copy and past it here below.

[S-word]

The volcanic island of Santorini or Thira as it is also called, which is situated in the Aegean Sea on the Anatolian tectonic plate, which is subject to the forces of the over-riding African plate in its northern migration, exploded with ten times the force of Krakatoa, which was a volcanic island that exploded in 1883, and that explosion was heard some 5000 kilometres away, and caused a tsunami that killed at least 36,000 people.
Look at the strange phenomenon that was occurring at the time of the Exodus. The cloud that blanketed all of North Africa and most of Europe, which turned day into night so dark that a man was not able to recognise his own brother who was standing at arm’s length from him. The rain of sulphuric acid that caused so much crop failure and the death of the livestock which were forced to feed on those polluted fields, the following series of shock waves along the Great Rift Valley and the fractures in the Sini Peninsular, which is situated on the African plate, the bulging of the earth’s crust beneath the Dead Sea which caused a highway to rise from the waters, with its following tremors when it collapsed and tidal waves that rolled in like two walls of water on either side of where the highway had been.

From the R. H. Charles translation of the ‘Wisdom of Solomon’ 19: 7-8, “Then was beheld the cloud that shadowed, and dry land rising up out of what was before water. Out of the Red Sea an unhindered highway, and a grassy plain rising out of the violent surge.” Look even where the Israelites camped on the shore of the Red Sea, which was smack bang in the middle of the only major coal field in Egypt. The bulging earth rising from the surging sea before them, pressured gas screaming from the opening fissures, creating towering pillars of fire behind them, a strong east wind blew all that night causing the thick smoke to blind the pursuing Egyptians while lighting up the camp of the Israelites on the eastern side of those wild fires.

All these events were caused from pressures that had been built up over tens of thousands of years and would have occurred in their proper time irrelevant of the Israeli situation. Where the miracle lay, was in the fact that an unseen entity was able, through his obedient prophet Moses, to organise the events leading up to and including the Exodus itself at the precise time in history that this cataclysmic event occurred.

Solomon has much to say about the days of Moses; he speaks of the strange hails that fell from heaven. Burning balls of frozen gases, some with the ability to burn even in water, some which burned with a heat so intense that they incinerated anything they came in contact with. While other hail burned with a cold fire through which animals could walk unharmed.

Solomon also speaks of the cloud that shadowed the Israelites in the desert and of the Manna that fell from heaven during the night. According to Solomon, the heavenly covering was a cloud by day and a host of stars by night. (A night sky ablaze with falling balls of burning hail stones.) Then concerning the heavenly Manna, Solomon says, “And that which was not injured by fire, simply warmed by a faint sunbeam, melted away.

Each morning, the desert floor was covered with a small white flaky cellulose substance, which had apparently floated down as the burning hailstones disintegrated above the wandering Israelites. A substance that they named Manna, which would melt and breed worms if left out in the sun, and yet could be preserved by cooking. The Manna was said to have tasted coriander seed mixed with olive oil.

Carbohydrates are any of a group of chemical compounds, including sugars, starches, and cellulose, containing carbon, hydrogen and oxygen only, with the ratio of hydrogen to oxygen atoms usually two to one. Carbon, hydrogen and oxygen would had been in abundant supply up in the stratosphere after the explosion of Thira. Perhaps if our scientists could simulate the same conditions that occurred in the stratosphere after the sun had set, for some forty years after the volcanic island had blown its top, they may come up with an inexpensive and environmentally friendly source of food production to feed the starving millions on earth, or even a way for astronauts to produce food from comets when and if interstellar travel ever becomes a feasibility.

The early Egyptian magicians or scientists were able to duplicate some of the miracles of God as performed by Moses. Perhaps our scientific magician of today are better qualified to perform the more mysterious of God’s miracles in the days of Moses

[Berachiah Ben Yisrael]

Originally Posted by S-word

“Remember what God did to Miriam on your journey from Egypt. If you don’t want to contact the dreaded skin disease then don’t speak against another in the first place.”

Thanks brother s-word for your comments and info but we wasn't talking about Moshe' sister Miriam but rather the Miriam of Migdal (Mary Magdelane).

[Darkwater]

"Is it morning already & why does the sun rise in the west my son"

"But that it were the sun rising in the west father,for it is a pillar of fire which light's up the night as if it were day"

The entire Jewish Faith is centred completely around surviving such times,and ensuring that as much of your culture is also preserved.For me this defines the Jewish faith completely.

The draining of the River enabling the slaves to depart Egypt,a resulting tsunami wiping out the entire Pharoh's Army.

*Luckily* the Gael & other mercenaries had no particular quarrel with the departing slaves & did not bother in the pursuit.It was however time to depart from basking in the wealth & splendour of the (formerly) wealthiest nation on earth at that time..with the esoterically skilled dark skinned babes,such as the Pharoh's daughter,Princess Scota..

Another Bonus was the a Phonecian/Minoan HQ at Knossos Palace,Crete was taken out when Santorini Blew,wiping out the fleet of the father Phoenius Pharsah the Phoenician(Fenius Farsah the Fenian),Gaythelos having been banished from Crete by his father to return upon pain of death.

I am with you S Word,the period of *the tribes* which is throwing me is before this,I will dig out my rough question again(from another thread)

The legend of the *30 keels of 30 souls* was born,the sons of Mil(Milesius)

[Darkwater]

This is from the super patient Ben Masada's Shiloh-Genesis 49:10 thread.

"No Darkwater, the opposite. That was when the 12 Tribes split and became 10 and two. I mean, 10 Tribes in the Kingdom of the North under the name of Israel. And the two Tribes, Judah and Benjamin as the Kingdom of the South under the name of Judah."

my reply being.

"OK,so we are talking Hebrew(genesis) year of light 2369(are you ok with year of light?)

A recap of important history being:_
Abraham(father-born 1896 BC-year of light @ 2000) & family was called out of Ur(Chaldea) to inhabit the land of Canaan,which they did for 215 years.

After the battle of the 9 kings(1913BC),Abraham(& family) having having pursued & recaptured all that had been taken by the Elemites(Chedorla-omer) & slew the 4 kings.
At this time the Hyksos or Shepherd Kings were established & ruled in Egypt(year of light 2090 to 2340(or 1750 to 1500 BC),this *MIDDLE EMPIRE(egyptian)*having been formed in lower Egypt.

Jacob(Tribe of Isaac) & family were in Egypt for 215 years,commencing with Joseph as Governor1715BC,then the whole family 1706BC...then the Hyksos fell to be replaced by tyrants aka the new Empire in Lower Egypt.

If the Hyksos(or Shepherd kings) were not the tribes of Judah or Benjamin,then who were they?

The period you are quoting from is pre-exodus,of course."

Were the Hyksos not *Jewish*?

Maybe a credit crunch got the whole tribe into debt.

When I think of the leader of the Mercenary Gaythelos(& his cult following) as well as the beautiful & esoterically skilled Pharoh's daughter Scota,I can't help thinking of the marriage of Posh & Beck's.

meh.

[S-word]

Originally Posted by Berachiah Ben Yisrael

Thanks brother s-word for your comments and info but we wasn't talking about Moshe' sister Miriam but rather the Miriam of Migdal (Mary Magdelane).

Quote=Berachiah....You know I am not sure about Miriam of Migdal being in Mitzrayim. But it is a safe bet to say that the house of Levi was there prior to Moshe' taking them out. Moshe' and his brother Aharon were both of this tribe. Hense the start of the Levitical priesthood through Aharon.

Sorry about that old mate, I saw Miriam (Don't know why you didn't say Mary Magdalene, so that us uneducated Aussies can understand) in Mitzrayim, followed by your little speil on Moses, Aaron and the exodus and (Kapoof) mistake made. But then making mistakes is the name of the game of Life, You will never find me today where I was yesterday, nor will I be Tomorrow, where I am today; the mind that refuses to let go an old concept to embrace the new, is like a putrid pool of stagnant water that has refused to allow the crystal clear mountain streams from above to flow down into it.

[Berachiah Ben Yisrael]

Originally Posted by S-word

Quote=Berachiah....You know I am not sure about Miriam of Migdal being in Mitzrayim. But it is a safe bet to say that the house of Levi was there prior to Moshe' taking them out. Moshe' and his brother Aharon were both of this tribe. Hense the start of the Levitical priesthood through Aharon.

Sorry about that old mate, I saw Miriam (Don't know why you didn't say Mary Magdalene, so that us uneducated Aussies can understand) in Mitzrayim, followed by your little speil on Moses, Aaron and the exodus and (Kapoof) mistake made. But then making mistakes is the name of the game of Life, You will never find me today where I was yesterday, nor will I be Tomorrow, where I am today; the mind that refuses to let go an old concept to embrace the new, is like a putrid pool of stagnant water that has refused to allow the crystal clear mountain streams to flow down into it.

Ain't no problem brother. I'm getting older everyday as well and mistakes seem to come more and more often as we go so if anyone knows what it is like it is me.

I try to keep as many of the names and places of the Hebrew Yisraelites as close to the true Hebrew as possible. There is meaning and power within the names and the words of the language of Hebrew. We have lost so much of that meaning and power when those transliterated the Hebrew into a language of a peoples thats culture and practice was to worship so many other gods and their language shows it. Jusy like when one says Jeremiah, in Hebrew it is YirmeYAH which means "Yah will rise" or Isaiah, in Hebrew it is YeshaYAH which means "Yah has saved". Now Miriam is the Hebrew name that in the English is said to be Mary. In Hebrew Miriam means "Rebellion". I just try not to translate names. I just don't believe it is the right thing to do. Its just like jesus. Miriam never ever called her son jesus. No one ever called him jesus while he was alive. His name was Yahshua which in the Hebrew means "Yah is salvation".The Greek "Iesous" does not translate into the same meaning and lacks the power of the true name of Yah. As far as the name of the place Migdal, which is in the NT of the KJV is Magdela which is referenced in the English version of Mary Magdalene, means "a tower" in the Hebrew vernacular.