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Old 06-03-2012, 05:03 PM
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Mohammad in Hebrew also needs the vav or a Cholem ( ו or וֹ ) to make to long o sound you hear.
As it stands the vowel sound that follows the מ is a Kamatz . Its that little thing that looks like a "t" under the mem. It makes the sound "ah" as in the word "saw".
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It's obvious you don't know the difference between the two letters.


ח has a ch sound (Not like the word "Chinese", but like the word "Bach")
ה has a h sound (like the word "Hammer")

The word in biblical verse has a ח.
The name of the prophet of Islam, written in Hebrew, is spelled with a ה.

The letters are different. The sounds are different. The words are different.
1-sorry for replying so late I was very busy so my apologies to you
2-I don't know Hebrew as a native speaker but I can see hear and pronounce correctly the letter that you are saying is in the name has a total different pro than the one in the name or in the Verse the name and the verse contain n this letter which is pronounciated as ch or h sound the letter u are referring to doesn't exist in the name plz tell me ur resource so I can check it out Beacause I can't find it anywhere in the name or in the verse Beacause I see the n not the opened n if it was the opened n it would have bean read mohemadim but I can assure u that I never saw it written with the opened n not in any bible plz tell me where did u get that from??
3-I repeat this was written before the vouels were added to Hebrew so if u want to read the verse read it as it was written Beacause anything is going to be miss understood if the main language was changed and let me ask u a question just Beacause I am curious that column the I did it exist before the 8th century ??????
4-what do u think Jesus is? god?? Son of god? Or a messenger or anything else plz tell me?
5-in the time of christ how many prophses were the people of Israel waiting for ??
6-last question I listened to this verse 4 times each time read by a different rabbi (keep in mind that they were all reading as the language was before the 8th century before the vouels the 4 of them read it mohamadim so what is the main reason that u can't read it like they did ???? Or are they all mistaken?
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"Those jews changed their holy books and therefore changed the word of Allah!"
"Except of course those small parts we agree with! Even though it would have made more sense to change those! BUT NEVERMIND!!!"
I just wanted to say I don't blame the Jews of this century for not believing in Allah like Muslims or in the trinity like the Christians the problem is that they lock themselves up and they don't interact with Muslims or Christians I can bet that if anyone in the world read the holy books he would say that they have points in common which are more that their differences and any one would know where the world of god is and where the word of man would be Beacause I hope I am quoting correctly if the sheep can know the voice of their owner why can't a man with his mind and heart know the words of his creator!!!!! And there are people in the world trying to put things right for example the people who made the revised standard version of the bible and has Been acknowledged that it is the closest to the real bible they are truying to guide the people back to the right path not like the people who try to change the word of god (from any religion )
Plz excuse me if I misquoted and thank you all for participating in this conversation
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Old 06-09-2012, 08:12 PM
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The Vav has always been a part of the Hebrew Aleph-Bet. If the vav was not there prior to the 8th century, then the O sound you are looking for isn't there either.
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1-sorry for replying so late I was very busy so my apologies to you
2-I don't know Hebrew as a native speaker but I can see hear and pronounce correctly the letter that you are saying is in the name has a total different pro than the one in the name or in the Verse the name and the verse contain n this letter which is pronounciated as ch or h sound the letter u are referring to doesn't exist in the name plz tell me ur resource so I can check it out Beacause I can't find it anywhere in the name or in the verse Beacause I see the n not the opened n if it was the opened n it would have bean read mohemadim but I can assure u that I never saw it written with the opened n not in any bible plz tell me where did u get that from??
3-I repeat this was written before the vouels were added to Hebrew so if u want to read the verse read it as it was written Beacause anything is going to be miss understood if the main language was changed and let me ask u a question just Beacause I am curious that column the I did it exist before the 8th century ??????
4-what do u think Jesus is? god?? Son of god? Or a messenger or anything else plz tell me?
5-in the time of christ how many prophses were the people of Israel waiting for ??
6-last question I listened to this verse 4 times each time read by a different rabbi (keep in mind that they were all reading as the language was before the 8th century before the vouels the 4 of them read it mohamadim so what is the main reason that u can't read it like they did ???? Or are they all mistaken?
Take a look at this website:

Akhlah: The Hebrew Aleph-Bet - Learn Hebrew

There are links to how each of the letters sound.

Here are the links for the two letters we're talking about.

First: ה http://www.akhlah.com/soundfiles/aleph_bet/hey.mp3

Next: ח http://www.akhlah.com/soundfiles/aleph_bet/chet.mp3

Notice the difference between Hey and Chet?

The word in the verse is machamadim
The prophet's name is Mahammed (at least according to this pronounciation: http://inogolo.com/audio/Muhammad_3758.mp3)

Different sounds. Different letters. Different words.

As for the questions about Jesus... that probably belongs in a different thread.
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The Vav has always been a part of the Hebrew Aleph-Bet. If the vav was not there prior to the 8th century, then the O sound you are looking for isn't there either.
actually the vowels were added to the language and in 2008 a stone was found by a Jewish archaeologist he said "The differentiation between the scripts, and between the languages themselves in that period, remains unclear" (quoting ) and calling it Hebrew is going too far knowing that the stone dated to around 3000 years ago so as i said the language was changed


2nd of all we write mohamad م which is equal to the sound meem then ح which gives a sound of haa (with and ending sound of the starting of the pronunciation of the A ) then another meem then د which gives a sound of dal



on these letters there are some marks that gives the letter a pacific sound for example the meem we put و over the letter to give it a mo sound (there is where the o sound comes from its not written as an او and we put a dash over the letter to give it and a sound example the meem will give the ma sound and a dash under it to give a me sound anyway in arabic we use the first one mentioned the one with the و anyway based on my first part the language was changed so its wrong to read it with the modern hebrew but without the ones i mentioned it will be read mhmd



which proves that ur modern reading is wrong but the rabbi in the link reads the old way thats why u said he is reading wrong while really u are the one making the mistake



as for poisonshady the letter ח according to Hebrew language, alphabet and pronunciation
which i think is a jewish site is either h or a ch so why do u focus on one and totally abandon the other i wonder why?????
and if u check the notes it says: het is officially pronounced [ħ], but many people pronounce it [x] see?
and Tiberian Hebrew from the 7th to 10th century (they dont know an exact timing) CE is sometimes called "Biblical Hebrew" because it is used to pronounce the Hebrew Bible; however properly it should be distinguished from the historical Biblical Hebrew of the 6th century BCE proof that the language was totally changed

and about the vowels did you know that tiberian Hebrew incorporates the remarkable scholarship of the Masoretes who added vowel points and grammar points to the Hebrew letters to preserve much earlier features of Hebrew (but did it work as they wanted i dont think so) so again the vowels were added and this is my proof
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actually the vowels were added to the language and in 2008 a stone was found by a Jewish archaeologist he said "The differentiation between the scripts, and between the languages themselves in that period, remains unclear" (quoting ) and calling it Hebrew is going too far knowing that the stone dated to around 3000 years ago so as i said the language was changed


2nd of all we write mohamad م which is equal to the sound meem then ح which gives a sound of haa (with and ending sound of the starting of the pronunciation of the A ) then another meem then د which gives a sound of dal



on these letters there are some marks that gives the letter a pacific sound for example the meem we put و over the letter to give it a mo sound (there is where the o sound comes from its not written as an او and we put a dash over the letter to give it and a sound example the meem will give the ma sound and a dash under it to give a me sound anyway in arabic we use the first one mentioned the one with the و anyway based on my first part the language was changed so its wrong to read it with the modern hebrew but without the ones i mentioned it will be read mhmd



which proves that ur modern reading is wrong but the rabbi in the link reads the old way thats why u said he is reading wrong while really u are the one making the mistake



as for poisonshady the letter ח according to Hebrew language, alphabet and pronunciation
which i think is a jewish site is either h or a ch so why do u focus on one and totally abandon the other i wonder why?????
and if u check the notes it says: het is officially pronounced [ħ], but many people pronounce it [x] see?
and Tiberian Hebrew from the 7th to 10th century (they dont know an exact timing) CE is sometimes called "Biblical Hebrew" because it is used to pronounce the Hebrew Bible; however properly it should be distinguished from the historical Biblical Hebrew of the 6th century BCE proof that the language was totally changed

and about the vowels did you know that tiberian Hebrew incorporates the remarkable scholarship of the Masoretes who added vowel points and grammar points to the Hebrew letters to preserve much earlier features of Hebrew (but did it work as they wanted i dont think so) so again the vowels were added and this is my proof
I have already answered this. And I seriously feel like I am riding a merry-go-round with you that I would really like to get off.
The the Het spelling that you insist on is Chet. the sound is more of a guttural sound. It's kind of like the rolling "r" is Spanish, only the sound is different.
Further Omniglot is not a Jewish site. The site poisonshady pointed you to is a Jewish site that does understand Hebrew.
Why you are having a hard time understanding why we rely on Hebrew sites, I do not know
Why you keep insisting that the Jews are lying about their own language, I will never understand.
Why you keep insisting that his mother didn't just love him is beyond me.
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I have already answered this. And I seriously feel like I am riding a merry-go-round with you that I would really like to get off.
The the Het spelling that you insist on is Chet. the sound is more of a guttural sound. It's kind of like the rolling "r" is Spanish, only the sound is different.
Further Omniglot is not a Jewish site. The site poisonshady pointed you to is a Jewish site that does understand Hebrew.
Why you are having a hard time understanding why we rely on Hebrew sites, I do not know
Why you keep insisting that the Jews are lying about their own language, I will never understand.
Why you keep insisting that his mother didn't just love him is beyond me.
mmmmm i thought we already finished that point but again as i told you before if u want to leave then thank you very very much if u want to leave and let ur point of view remain unclear to me then there is nothing i can do to stop you is there the only thing i can do is to thank you and hope u will see things from my perspective one day when its not too late



furthermore i proved to you that ur language is not hebrew it is not the language that the bible was written in what more do you want u cant get a person who speaks arabic and tell him read hebrew nor can you bring a jew who speaks modern israel hebrew and tell him to read the old one


the reason i dont trust those sites as i made my self clear is that they have modern israel hebrew not the old hebrew


and i am not saying that ALL jews are lying about their language all i am saying is that their language was changed so its no wonder that if they read the old language they will make mistakes or totally mistake the meaning that those words have
and i didnt really catch that last sentence that says ""Why you keep insisting that his mother didn't just love him"" plz explain it


i answered ur questions now answer this why would the name of our prophet be in the bible or something close to it (though i just brought the whole modern hebrew language to its knees by proving it was changed ) in his holy book or so they say i will tell you why to guide you that gods promise shall become true that I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. who is he ??? who???? can u name him (knowing that jesus was speaking words of god too) no you cant but i can he is Mohamad PBH that is the truth that i have to give you and you are now free either believe me or to stop its ur choice
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when you consider that the Arabic language had to create a letter to explain the Chet in Hebrew, it makes one wonder who's language is reaching
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