Islam and Judaism...

[neves]

Moses (Musa AS) is mentioned in the Holy Quran more than any other prophet... Do people of Judaism consider Muslims to be perfect monotheist? ... Muslims adhere to the Seven Laws of Noah... So would people of Judaism see the people who follow Islam to be righteous followers of God?

[Levite]

Originally Posted by neves

Moses (Musa AS) is mentioned in the Holy Quran more than any other prophet... Do people of Judaism consider Muslims to be perfect monotheist? ... Muslims adhere to the Seven Laws of Noah... So would people of Judaism see the people who follow Islam to be righteous followers of God?

Most of the major Jewish authorities with which I am familiar do in fact consider Muslims to be perfect monotheists, and, in theory, should therefore be righteous gentiles. The only times that such authorities have spoken out against Muslims were when Jews living in Muslim lands were occasionally oppressed by leaders who decided to follow rather anti-Judaic interpretations of certain phrases in Quran. But even that was condemning the oppression of Jews, and not doubting the monotheistic dedication of Islam.

Of the few authorities I have heard of who did not teach that Muslims were perfect monotheists, the historical majority came from lands where Muslims did not live, and thus they knew very little about Islam, and based their opinions upon rumors which, today, we know to be untrue. The only others I know of who have taught that Muslims are not at least in theory righteous gentiles are certain ultra-Orthodox scholars today, who speak ill of Muslims and Islam for reasons pertaining to their extreme right-wing fundamentalist politics. Fortunately, they are only a lunatic fringe, and are not part of mainstream Jewish thought.

So I guess the best answer according to Jewish Law would be that Islam is certainly pure monotheism, and whether or not individual Muslims are righteous gentiles depends on their behavior. If their behavior is righteous, they are righteous gentiles. If not, they can also be unrighteous monotheists.

[Zardoz]

I second what Levite says
I have tried to engage Muslims here in dialog about our common Noachide commandments with little success

[Ordeet]

I'm not Jewish but I personally don't see much in common with the two faiths.

If anything, the Moslems have stolen and appropriated much of the Jewish religion. Just as the Christians before them had done. The similarities end there.

[fatima_bintu_islam]

Originally Posted by Levite

Most of the major Jewish authorities with which I am familiar do in fact consider Muslims to be perfect monotheists, and, in theory, should therefore be righteous gentiles. The only times that such authorities have spoken out against Muslims were when Jews living in Muslim lands were occasionally oppressed by leaders who decided to follow rather anti-Judaic interpretations of certain phrases in Quran. But even that was condemning the oppression of Jews, and not doubting the monotheistic dedication of Islam.

Of the few authorities I have heard of who did not teach that Muslims were perfect monotheists, the historical majority came from lands where Muslims did not live, and thus they knew very little about Islam, and based their opinions upon rumors which, today, we know to be untrue. The only others I know of who have taught that Muslims are not at least in theory righteous gentiles are certain ultra-Orthodox scholars today, who speak ill of Muslims and Islam for reasons pertaining to their extreme right-wing fundamentalist politics. Fortunately, they are only a lunatic fringe, and are not part of mainstream Jewish thought.

So I guess the best answer according to Jewish Law would be that Islam is certainly pure monotheism, and whether or not individual Muslims are righteous gentiles depends on their behavior. If their behavior is righteous, they are righteous gentiles. If not, they can also be unrighteous monotheists.

Im suprised , really its the first time I hear this ( Im kinda ignorant of the Jewish Muslim relationship to be honest)

But Im not sure if I understood you right, do you mean that Jewish authorities that Islam is a religion of God and the prophet peace be upon him is His messenger, but just dont follow it ?

Or is it only that they think Islam is perfect monotheism,however Judaism has nothing to do ( Judaism not based on) with monotheism?

I hope you could expand on this if you have time, thank you very much

[xkatz]

Im suprised , really its the first time I hear this ( Im kinda ignorant of the Jewish Muslim relationship to be honest)

Sometimes, a surprise can be a good thing

But Im not sure if I understood you right, do you mean that Jewish authorities that Islam is a religion of God and the prophet peace be upon him is His messenger, but just dont follow it ?

Jewish authorities recognize Islam as a religion of YWHW, meaning that they both believe in the same, one god. But Judaism doesn't recognize Muhammad as a messiah, or a prophet. I am curious though, what is Islam's stance on Judaism?

Or is it only that they think Islam is perfect monotheism,however Judaism has nothing to do ( Judaism not based on) with monotheism?

Judaism's stance on god is identical to that of Islam's actually. Well, at least for the most part. Muslims seem to tend to believe in a more "active" god (at least that's what I've seen) while Jews tend to believe in a more "remote" god.

[Caladan]

Originally Posted by xkatz

But Judaism doesn't recognize Muhammad as a messiah

Neither do Muslims.

[Caladan]

Originally Posted by fatima_bintu_islam

But Im not sure if I understood you right, do you mean that Jewish authorities that Islam is a religion of God and the prophet peace be upon him is His messenger, but just dont follow it ?

Many Jews believe that Islam and Christianity are monotheistic faiths, but neither recognize Jesus as a messiah, or Muhammad as a prophet.

Or is it only that they think Islam is perfect monotheism,however Judaism has nothing to do ( Judaism not based on) with monotheism?

I'm not sure what you are asking, it would be wierd not to know that Judaism is a monotheistic faith.

[xkatz]

Originally Posted by Caladan

Neither do Muslims.

I am well aware of that

The point is though, Jews don't call themselves Muslims because Muhammad is not one of their prophets nor is he the messiah (at least that's one of the major reasons).

[Caladan]

Originally Posted by xkatz

I am well aware of that

The point is though, Jews don't call themselves Muslims because Muhammad is not one of their prophets nor is he the messiah (at least that's one of the major reasons).

Not following your logic here, but OK.
If even Muslims do not recognize Muhammad as the messiah, more so, Jews will not.