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What is the reason you don't believe in God?
It's reason that allows/permits disbelief of any specified claim. Any/all "gods" exist if there is but one claimant that insists that their alleged god(s) are "real". Do you "believe in" Zeus, Apollo, or Athena? Perhaps you "believe in" the claimed divinity of Demeter,Bhrama, Anuke or Baal? Maybe Enki, Ninhursag, or Ki, instead?

No?

What then is the reason you don't believe in those gods?

What reason do you employ that allows you to conclusively doubt insistent claims of fairies, or flying unicorns (or spaghetti monsters traveling aloft in the sky)?

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Or the reason you're not absolutely positively sure God exists?
"Absolutely, positively"? Reason both allows and presumes prevailing doubt as a standard of acceptable measure in ascertaining (deducing) the most prevailing and predominantly evidentiary conclusions.

The "reason" I don't believe in your god is because I doubt the legitimacy (or earnestly-lent "testimony") of the claim of it's/His existence. There is more "evidence" supporting a faith-based assertion/claim of Thor as a "god"...than other contemporary faith-based claims of either singular or multiple existent "gods". I can see lightning; I can hear thunder. Should I doubt the correlations of such cause/effect "explanations", or should I simply proclaim and insist that "Thor LIVES"?

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I'd guess the number one reason is because people see bad things happening all around them and can't understand why God would allow it to happen.
Poor speculation on your part, predicated upon ingrained prejudice and ignorance on your part...I would guess...

My own perspective readily accepts the notion that the cosmos neither rewards nor punishes human existence...it only renders what humans may perceive/categorize as being inevitable consequences (as being estimably "good" or "bad") amongst sentient species like ourselves.

As to any suppositions regarding "divine intervention", it seems supportively clear that whatever faith-based or claimed "gods" may (or may not) "exist" ...NONE are particularly eager to even partially mirror the uncommitted capacities afford within human compassion and empathy within the human condition on a whole. It often (enough) seems that all claimed gods refuse to intercede in allying starvation, child abuse, ignorance, slavery, or mindless war. Yet humans act daily to actively protect and defend the helpless, the weak, the destitute, the aged, and the homeless/hopeless.

Human dignity and the afforded opportunity of existence seem to be in the veritable hands of humankind...for better or worse. But akin to many claimed "gods", our species remains primarily focused upon self...or "personal salvation" (or "rewards") as offered by such claimed deities. "Just believe, and then...receive?".

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How would you rate the other reasons not to believe?
I would rate them as compelling beyond any extraordinary reasonable doubt.

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Now the key question, where would you rate your own ego as a reason and do you realize it's the main reason?
My "ego" encompasses the notion and realization that my personal existence is a phenomena that is both unique and fleeting. I am but one of appx. 6 billion other sentient individuals on this one blue marble of a planet. This planet is but one of many that orbits it's local star, within a rather remote suburb of one spiral galaxy containing nearly 100 billion other stars, amongst as many as 100 billion other galaxies (each with it's own billions of stars, and perhaps trillions of planets within). htere are (probably) more stars in the entirety of the cosmos than there are grains of sand washing ashore upon every beach front of every continent upon this tiny and remote blue marble...

Now...where does any sense of a "personal ego" enter into this broadest of perspectives/realizations? 'Unbelievers" can readily accept the implications associated with an encompassing and impossibly vast cosmos.

Believers predominantly claim that their particular god(s) indulge a personal, "one-one-one" relationship with each and every faithful adherent. It's not just a claim of an existent deity...it's also an insistent claim that...a "god" cares about ME...ME! Of the entirety of everything that exists within the entirety of the cosmos, MY God cares about ME...like a best friend.

"Hey EVERYONE! I'm 'best friends' with GOD! God loves me. ME! Even when I'm an idiot, or insensitive, or self-righteous in my convictions, or ill-informed, or self-serving in my perspectives/conclusions...MY god IS God, and HE LOVES ME!"

OK.

Now, let's introduce comparative/contemplative measures of ego betwixt religiously faith-based believers, and the claims/doubts expressed by "unbelievers" regarding any "absolute certainties" attached to any claimed deities.

Does it require a greater measure of personal ego to "believe" (by faith)--or otherwise "assume"--that you are "special" within the constricted gaze of a particularly claimed/named deity; or does this require an even greater "testament" of particularly personal ego to accept that we are all but absurdly coalesced starstuff, and remain/exist as but a fleeting flicker of an infinitesimal moment in time, In a remote outpost of existent life and consciousness that is unremarkable in any comparable measure?

Let's compare such requisite amounts of human ego, shall we?
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