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Does any supernatural god exist?

Does any supernatural god exist?

  • Certainly

    Votes: 14 34.1%

  • Certainly not

    Votes: 9 22.0%

  • Certainly don't know

    Votes: 18 43.9%
  • Total voters
    41
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
9-10ths_Penguin said:
What experience would I need to have to overlook you contradicting yourself.




News flash: the only people without "conceptualizing" minds are dead.


This is reminding me a lot of people who feel like their drug trip was something very profound.

If you enjoy inducing an altered state through meditation, I'm happy for you. It's not a pathway to truth, though.
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People are not equal, evolution is like a school environment, there are lower grade students and higher grade, the school children of one grade need to learn the lessons of that grade to attain the prerequisite understanding to be able to cope in the next higher grade, Naturally the children tend to play with children of their own grade....and the lower class kids tend to be unruly.
 
Ajax

Ajax

Active Member
Ben Dhyan said:
Do you believe there exists more to nature that you and contemporary science are presently aware of?
Given one of the meanings of the word "supernatural" is simply "things that cannot be explained by science", is it not reasonable that some people, both religious and non-religious, believe in supernatural ideas and possibilities?
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No, I don't think that is reasonable, since as you said, nobody can establish if the "supernatural" claim exists. It's the same as claiming that is reasonable for fairies to exist.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Ajax said:
No, I don't think that is reasonable, since as you said, nobody can establish if the "supernatural" claim exists. It's the same as claiming that is reasonable for fairies to exist.
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The problem is that there is not evidence that reason exists.
And indeed as far as I can tell the idea of existence is philosophy, so that is also without evidence.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Ajax said:
No, I don't think that is reasonable, since as you said, nobody can establish if the "supernatural" claim exists. It's the same as claiming that is reasonable for fairies to exist.
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But the point is that if it can be established a "supernatural" claim actually exists, then it is no longer supernatural but natural. Science can't yet say that there is nothing yet to be added to what is presently known of nature.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Ben Dhyan said:
But the point is that if it can be established a "supernatural" claim actually exists, then it is no longer supernatural but natural. Science can't yet say that there is nothing yet to be added to what is presently known of nature.
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Yeah, but I still don't believe in the supernatural.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Ben Dhyan said:
But the point is that if it can be established a "supernatural" claim actually exist, then it is no longer supernatural but natural.
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Right: "supernatural" is a category defined epistemologically: a thing isn't called "supernatural" unless the evidence for the thing is so bad that it isn't clear that the thing even exists at all.

Ben Dhyan said:
Science can't yet say that there is nothing yet to be added to what is known of nature.
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People can't yet say.

Science is just rigorous investigation, so the limits of science and the limits of human knowledge are the same.

"_____ is beyond science!" - this is often a reasonable statement.

"_____ is beyond science, but I know all about it!" - this is a red flag that you're talking to either a con artist or a fool.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
9-10ths_Penguin said:
Right: "supernatural" is a category defined epistemologically: a thing isn't called "supernatural" unless the evidence for the thing is so bad that it isn't clear that the thing even exists at all.



People can't yet say.

Science is just rigorous investigation, so the limits of science and the limits of human knowledge are the same.

"_____ is beyond science!" - this is often a reasonable statement.

"_____ is beyond science, but I know all about it!" - this is a red flag that you're talking to either a con artist or a fool.
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Morality as a human behavior is beyound science as something science can't do, but it is still done by humans.

So in effect you can know something is subjective, but science can't do that, because science is an objective methodology.
 
Ajax

Ajax

Active Member
Ben Dhyan said:
But the point is that if it can be established a "supernatural" claim actually exists, then it is no longer supernatural but natural. Science can't yet say that there is nothing yet to be added to what is presently known of nature.
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I agree, in which case there will never be anything supernatural established and therefore we are wasting our time discussing it. It is the same as the discussions regarding whether God exists.
 
mikkel_the_dane

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Ajax said:
I agree, in which case there will never be anything supernatural established and therefore we are wasting our time discussing it. It is the same as the discussions regarding whether God exists.
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Well, that is a norm as per wasting time and not with evidence.
So yes, evidence is useful, but that it is useful is without evidence.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
9-10ths_Penguin said:
Right: "supernatural" is a category defined epistemologically: a thing isn't called "supernatural" unless the evidence for the thing is so bad that it isn't clear that the thing even exists at all.



People can't yet say.

Science is just rigorous investigation, so the limits of science and the limits of human knowledge are the same.

"_____ is beyond science!" - this is often a reasonable statement.

"_____ is beyond science, but I know all about it!" - this is a red flag that you're talking to either a con artist or a fool.
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As I have said, contemporary science is not yet at an end, there are still things to be known, supernatural just means something that cannot be explained by science.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Ajax said:
I agree, in which case there will never be anything supernatural established and therefore we are wasting our time discussing it. It is the same as the discussions regarding whether God exists.
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But fun and anguish go hand and hand, remove one and you remove the other, there is lots of both discussing fringe areas of knowledge and beliefs....and the bonus is that the wise can learn from the non-wise, but generally it is not reciprocal. :D No just kidding, we are all doing our best and learning on RF.
 
loverofhumanity

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
We Never Know said:
I've seen threads of...
Theists: Does God Exist?
Atheist: Does God Exist?

IMO That refers to one certain God

So painting with a broader brush, does any supernatural god exist?
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I believe yes most certainly. He has sent His Messengers and Prophets to humanity throughout the ages.
 
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