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Does The Bible Contain Errors And Contradictions

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Charles Philips

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YoursTrue said:
I know this to be true in my life. God found me. I was looking, but He found me.
Isaiah 55:6
"Seek the LORD while He may be found; Call upon Him while He is near."
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That doesn't address the elephant in the room, that being why would a man who hates God and loves his sin, turn from what he loves and embrace what he hates. It just makes no sense at all, and you need to give us some supporting scripture to confirm your theory. You can't just pluck out verses in isolation and then try to make them say something that they clearly are not.

This is abusing Gods Word, for a wicked purpose. God warned, that those who dd or take anything away from His word will incur His wrath.
 
Soandso

Soandso

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Charles Philips said:
Here's an expert Hebrew man, (same ethnicity) as the Lord Jesus Christ. He will set you straight and you will realize that most of what you've been fed have been lies.

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You already posted this video to me, and I already told you that I'm not going to watch videos. I want text that I can study and analyze. Preferably I want text from the main source, the Bible

This is what you said initially when I asked you where in the Bible it said that Jesus was white, blonde haired, and blue eyed

Charles Philips said:
I can't remember the chapters and verses off the top of my head, but you could do a web search to find them and if you can't do that then I'll have to do it for you
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I couldn't find it in the Bible. Like you said you would do, show me the verses where it says that Jesus looks like this. You've also said that Jesus was 6 foot tall, muscular, and handsome. I showed you a verse in Isaiah prophesying that the Messiah would be nothing special to look at; he wouldn't be handsome, so there's one thing you made up that's not biblical

I want you to do as you said you would and show me those verses. The Bible is the ultimate authority in these matters. Show me where the Bible says these things. Until then, you are just making them up
 
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Charles Philips

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Brickjectivity said:
In Mark the story says they did so, and that is one way we know its a non literal account by the way:
[Mar 16:19-20 NIV] 19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. 20 Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.​

Another way is to look at the gospel Matthew. First there is the genealogy that is tweaked so that it can be arranged in groups of 14. Hence it does not match his other geneology. Then there are plenty of other tells such as Matthew's redefinition of the word 'Fulfill'.


First of all people only listen to what they want to hear. If you don't know that then you haven't paid attention.

The rest of this seems to me like you are here to make everyone think you are an actual Christian. How can we tell you apart from an imposter? You certainly seem defensive, almost practiced at it. Of course I don't know if its your aim, but its totally unnecessary to do that. You don't have to prove what you cannot prove.

You aren't the only person who has tried, and its a mistake to do it. There is no way to prove you are a Christian online. Really no one can know internally what you truly think. For all we know you are one of those people hurt in a church who have come here to provoke an allergic response against Christianity. Trying to claim the books in the bible are divinely organized and divinely protected? Its patently unsupportable and comes from the 19th century isolated USA where people only had the bible to go on and a preacher. I've read it in the old books. Its not supportable. Our bibles are not a book but a library, and each author has a perspective: an interpretation.

"Don't come any closer. I've got a bomb! Its a Truth Bomb, and I'm going to blow your lies all to pieces!" --Dangerous Truth Bomber
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Well it's obvious you claim to be a luke warm Christian, but God said He would spit such out of His mouth. There is no place for fence sitters in Gods Holy War, you're either with us or your with the enemy.

The Holy Bible is Gods Holy Word, every Word from cover to cover is His Word, there is nothing dispensable in the Bible.

God commanded us to preach the gospel as it condemns sinners to hell and it saves His elect to eternal paradise. Jesus didn't come into the world trying to convince anyone of anything, He came as a sword to divide the world into two groups, His Children and the Devils Children. Every single person belongs in one of these two groups.
 
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Ebionite

Ebionite

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Charles Philips said:
I don't accept that Bible translation you refer to, as it's not an accurate translation.
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It doesn't matter. My point is that the translations are using the wrong Hebrew word.

Charles Philips said:
I don't believe in that god you describe, I believe in an entirely different God. My God has not spoken a single Word for the past 2000 years.
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So, according to you Isaiah wasn't inspired despite him being endorsed in the gospels?
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Charles Philips said:
That doesn't address the elephant in the room, that being why would a man who hates God and loves his sin, turn from what he loves and embrace what he hates. It just makes no sense at all, and you need to give us some supporting scripture to confirm your theory. You can't just pluck out verses in isolation and then try to make them say something that they clearly are not.

This is abusing Gods Word, for a wicked purpose. God warned, that those who dd or take anything away from His word will incur His wrath.
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(huh?)
 
blü 2

blü 2

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Charles Philips said:
Matthew 24:31

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other
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That simply means that when the Tribulation has come and gone, God will then make a selection of those [he] approves of.

No qualifications for receiving that approval are mentioned, so we won't know who the [lower-case] elect are until the Tribulation has come and gone.

I see no basis there for anyone to claim that they're already [lower-case] elect, let alone Elect, let alone qualified to tell others just who is Elect and who is not.

In my view, of course, the Tribulation claim is not credible. But historically it appears to be another product of the apocalyptic mood in the Jewish provinces early in the first century CE, which motivates the Jesus of Mark, the Jesus of Matthew and the Jesus of Luke to promise that [the Jewish] God's kingdom would be established on earth within the lifetime of some of Jesus' audience (Mark 9:1, Matthew 10:23, Matthew 16:28, Luke 9:27) ─ a promise now running very close to 2,000 years late ─ or do you have some 2,000 year old Levantines living near you? (John is the latest written of the gospels, and John's Jesus makes no such claim, which strongly suggests to me that the author of John regarded it as a prediction which had already failed by then.)
 
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Charles Philips

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blü 2 said:
You are like God [him]self?

Really?

I mean, seriously?

I have this strong feeling that if you could create new universes, bring the EM spectrum into being simply by uttering some words, raise the dead, &c, I'd have heard of you before now, but in truth I haven't.

And would God pretend there was some unidentified part of the bible about particular people being elect, or would [he] speak only truthfully, no there isn't?
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You failed to understand what I said. I never claimed to be God. I said I'm being transformed into the image of God, which my ancestor Adam lost.

"Being" transformed is not the same as I "was" transformed, being denotes an ongoing process which is not completed until I receive my new immortal invincible sinless perfect body at the resurrection. Until then I still have to deal with ugly people and run the gantlet of mockers.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Charles Philips said:
Well it's obvious you claim to be a luke warm Christian, but God said He would spit such out of His mouth. There is no place for fence sitters in Gods Holy War, you're either with us or your with the enemy.

The Holy Bible is Gods Holy Word, every Word from cover to cover is His Word, there is nothing dispensable in the Bible.

God commanded us to preach the gospel as it condemns sinners to hell and it saves His elect to eternal paradise. Jesus didn't come into the world trying to convince anyone of anything, He came as a sword to divide the world into two groups, His Children and the Devils Children. Every single person belongs in one of these two groups.
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was the Bible originally written in English?
 
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Charles Philips

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Soandso said:
You already posted this video to me, and I already told you that I'm not going to watch videos. I want text that I can study and analyze. Preferably I want text from the main source, the Bible

This is what you said initially when I asked you where in the Bible it said that Jesus was white, blonde haired, and blue eyed



I couldn't find it in the Bible. Like you said you would do, show me the verses where it says that Jesus looks like this. You've also said that Jesus was 6 foot tall, muscular, and handsome. I showed you a verse in Isaiah prophesying that the Messiah would be nothing special to look at; he wouldn't be handsome, so there's one thing you made up that's not biblical

I want you to do as you said you would and show me those verses. The Bible is the ultimate authority in these matters. Show me where the Bible says these things. Until then, you are just making them up
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It's ridiculous to demand someone to show you words they used in the Bible. You know the Bible doesn't use the words we do today, and it just shows your ignorance and unwillingness to deal with the facts rather than play semantics.

I can show you many verses which prove that Jesus was a white man, due to the fact that He was a Hebrew and Hebrews have been proven to be white. But I can see your not interested in facts, you just prefer to argue
 
Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity

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Charles Philips said:
Well it's obvious you claim to be a luke warm Christian, but God said He would spit such out of His mouth. There is no place for fence sitters in Gods Holy War, you're either with us or your with the enemy.

The Holy Bible is Gods Holy Word, every Word from cover to cover is His Word, there is nothing dispensable in the Bible.

God commanded us to preach the gospel as it condemns sinners to hell and it saves His elect to eternal paradise. Jesus didn't come into the world trying to convince anyone of anything, He came as a sword to divide the world into two groups, His Children and the Devils Children. Every single person belongs in one of these two groups.
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I claim that I am absolutely lukewarm, but I suppose we should let God decide who is wheat and who is tare. You claim to be a hot Christian, and you're not here to make Christians look combative, blunt and ignorant of our own scriptures. I suppose friendly behavior is of the flesh? You have no axe to grind or grudge, and you're the real deal representing Jesus, and you're absolutely sure of it. Sure. I'll have communion, but that doesn't mean I'll vouch for your Christian certificate.
 
YoursTrue

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Charles Philips said:
I don't accept that Bible translation you refer to, as it's not an accurate translation.

The proper translation is. Jeremiah 17:9

“The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?
Jeremiah 17:9-10 The heart is deceitful above all things, and it is exceedingly corrupt: who can know it? I, Jehovah, search the mind, I try the heart, even to give every man according to his ways, according to the fr “The heart is hopelessly dark and deceitful, a puzzle that no one can figure out. But I, GOD, search the heart and examine the mind. I get to the heart of the human. I get to the root of things. I tre The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit “The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it? I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give to each man according to his ways, According to “More than anything else, a person’s mind is evil and cannot be healed. Who can understand it? But I, the LORD, look into a person’s heart and test the mind. So I can decide what each one deserves; I The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it? “I the LORD search the heart and examine the mind, to reward each person according to their conduct, according to what “The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it? I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give every man according to his ways, According to the fruit “The heart is deceitful above all things And it is extremely sick; Who can understand it fully and know its secret motives? I, the LORD, search and examine the mind, I test the heart, To give to each “The human heart is the most deceitful of all things, and desperately wicked. Who really knows how bad it is? But I, the LORD, search all hearts and examine secret motives. I give all people their due The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it? “I the LORD search the heart and test the mind, to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of
It's not wise to dilute Gods Word with erroneous translations, as you end up with a false doctrine.
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I'm thinking maybe you need a new pair of glasses.
 
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Charles Philips

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Ebionite said:
It doesn't matter. My point is that the translations are using the wrong Hebrew word.


So, according to you Isaiah wasn't inspired despite him being endorsed in the gospels?
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I never said Isaiah was not inspired, I just stated that the translation you're using is false so you've ended up with a false doctrine.
 
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Charles Philips

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Brickjectivity said:
I claim that I am absolutely lukewarm, but I suppose we should let God decide who is wheat and who is tare. You claim to be a hot Christian, and you're not here to make Christians look combative, blunt and ignorant of our own scriptures. I suppose friendly behavior is of the flesh? You have no axe to grind or grudge, and you're the real deal representing Jesus, and you're absolutely sure of it. Sure. I'll have communion, but that doesn't mean I'll vouch for your Christian certificate.
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You're entitled to have your opinion, but I personally don't place any stock in private opinions as they are worthless to me. Everybody has a different one. I'll just stick to what God said and let everyone have their opinion, thanks anyway
 
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Charles Philips

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blü 2 said:
That simply means that when the Tribulation has come and gone, God will then make a selection of those [he] approves of.

No qualifications for receiving that approval are mentioned, so we won't know who the [lower-case] elect are until the Tribulation has come and gone.

I see no basis there for anyone to claim that they're already [lower-case] elect, let alone Elect, let alone qualified to tell others just who is Elect and who is not.

In my view, of course, the Tribulation claim is not credible. But historically it appears to be another product of the apocalyptic mood in the Jewish provinces early in the first century CE, which motivates the Jesus of Mark, the Jesus of Matthew and the Jesus of Luke to promise that [the Jewish] God's kingdom would be established on earth within the lifetime of some of Jesus' audience (Mark 9:1, Matthew 10:23, Matthew 16:28, Luke 9:27) ─ a promise now running very close to 2,000 years late ─ or do you have some 2,000 year old Levantines living near you? (John is the latest written of the gospels, and John's Jesus makes no such claim, which strongly suggests to me that the author of John regarded it as a prediction which had already failed by then.)
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No, that's nonsense because it doesn't line up with what the bible says. The bible never said that "it is appointed onto men to die once then the judgement, then after the judgement he gets another chance to prove himself worthy of salvation". That sounds like a doctrine of Demons and far from the gospel message.
 
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Charles Philips said:
It's ridiculous to demand someone to show you words they used in the Bible.
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Then why did you offer that you would find the verses for me initially? You seemed confident then you could find those verses. What changed?

I just think that you just realized that you got caught making things up and are now trying to distract from it by pointing the finger at me

Charles Philips said:
You know the Bible doesn't use the words we do today, and it just shows your ignorance and unwillingness to deal with the facts rather than play semantics.
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Nah, you made things up and I called you out

Charles Philips said:
I can show you many verses which prove that Jesus was a white man, due to the fact that He was a Hebrew and Hebrews have been proven to be white. But I can see your not interested in facts, you just prefer to argue
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If Hebrews were white, blonde haired, and blue eyed, then why did the ancient Egyptians depict them as tan, dark haired, and dark eyed people?

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Honestly, the way the Egyptians depict them make them look Arabian. Do you have any credible sources showing ancient Hebrews were white, blonde haired, and blue eyed? No videos cause I won't watch them. I want textual evidence if you can't show me biblical sources like you said you would do
 
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